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Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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> Cars these days are way too fast Compared to the Ford Model T, maybe.

No way, plot a graph of average horsepower and top speeds over time and you'll see it going up and to the right.

If your point was that children should not wander along highways and race tracks I agree.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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post #180

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> most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life I think it's time to stop thinking of online as something less real than meatspace, and online friends as somehow inferior to face-to-face friends. (Cue copious evidence of amazing friendships and happy marriages started online.)

How people find online communities that aren't so terrible that loneliness is preferable is beyond me. Of course, that's also true of meatspace communities, so maybe the problem is just me.

My recipe is trivial: look for people who are clearly brighter than me, and follow them; continue recursively with their friends as you get introduced.

This gave me a few brilliant real-life friends who I first had met back in the day e.g. on LiveJournal when it was still alive.

Heck, I met my wife online, and proposed online, back in 20th century. We're still happily together.

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I wonder how much the pervasiveness of dating apps has to do with this as well. One of the bigger social motivators for my generation growing up was "are members of the opposite sex gonna be there?". Nowadays a lot of people meet on dating apps, _then_ choose to potentially socialize with each other and go out, whereas before you'd have to go out and be social to stand a chance of finding someone to date. Now you act…

I think there's definitely some of this, and it's more pronounced in smaller cities. I used to live in a big city and it was easy to meet people in bars. Now I live in much smaller city and I have a much harder time meeting people in bars, so I use dating apps more.

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Surely you knew multiculturalism would destroy your high-trust homogeneous society. If not, the lesson is now very clear. It's not too late. We can go back.

Woah now, let's not make any wild leaps here. The Roman Empire was fantastically multicultural at its high points and its low. The United States has never been homogeneous, no matter where in its history you find yourself -- the low or the high points. In fact, I (and many others) would argue that a lot of the meteoric rise of the United States occurred on the backs of labor that did not match the current ideals of t…

I don't know if he's really worth responding to, but it really depends on your definition of 'homogeneous'. Historically, the US was certainly much more homogeneous in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...

You mention Chinese labor, for example, but the Asian presence in the US was below 1% until 1980. There were only three demographics that really existed in any numbers in US history up until the past few decades: Native Americans (mostly genocided or blended with other categories, and not counted as part of the population until this happened), whites (80-90% until 1980s), and the black people who were mostly either slaves or descended from slaves (fluctuated between 10 and 20%). Since the 1980s, the Hispanic population has seen a massive upsurge, with Asians also increased as a proportion of the population by almost 5x, and "Other" going from basically 0% to 6%.

This is not exactly a diverse picture, even if it isn't 100% homogeneous.

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Outside of a pub (which is a bar?) none of these places would typically be open on a late Fri/Sat. I think there's plenty of opportunity to reinvent the nightlife experience in a way that hasn't been done yet. Hopefully in a few years you can decide between a bar, club, or ____ at 12am on a Friday night. The idea of being sandwiched in the middle of loud drunk sweaty people in a place where I can barely hear what som…

A pub is not a bar. The only real similarity is that a pub and a bar both serve alcohol. The atmosphere is completely different. I suspect this may not be abundantly clear to a lot of Americans, who seem to lack exposure to a true European style pub.

Unfortunately, American "pubs" are little different from our clubs or sports bars with unbearably loud music or twenty televisions playing every flavor of ESPN. Nearly every alcohol-serving establishment I've been to in my region (Washington DC) is pricey, deafening, and not conducive to any sort of socialization beyond drunkenly grinding against strangers. I hate it.

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It could be, though it was falling for a couple decades before the media attention started driving the widespread belief that it was increasing, and the behavior changed that resulted from that belief.

There's also the fact that children are typically hurt by people they know, not strangers

Again, its hard to separate that phenomenon from potentially confounding effects. Is the fact that children are typically hurt by people they know the result of parents being reluctant to let their kids out on the street by themselves, thereby limiting the opportunities for potential strangers to harm them?

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My parents let me walk to the corner store alone when I was 5. By the time I was 8, I'd be gone all day doing who knows what; the big rule was to be home for dinner. Allowing your kids to roam around like that these days will get CPS called on you.

Same, my mom would regularly write a note asking the clerk to sell me cigarettes (for her). It worked. I can't even imagine how that would play out in current times.

I remember being 10 or so and my dad giving me money to ride my bike to the hardware store to buy him propane. Of course, I didn't even know what propane was so he said "just ask the clerk," who of course, had no problem helping me.

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I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. My father used to range all around Seoul as a grade school aged kid. I used to wander 2 miles out in the woods with my friends and my sister at that age in the middle of winter. A coworker of mine used to range even farther at that age. We had lots of time practicing looking after ourselves and being independent. I remember facilitating a cla…

I don't understand what you think is wrong with the kid awaiting instruction. Sounds like a kid who has some sense of self-control, which is a positive and not a negative.

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Society is sick, let's face it, and technology is largely to blame. We just can't see the danger in technology so long as we're blinded by everything shiny. Human beings are primarily social beings and no, that does not mean peering at each other through the alienating window of a mobile phone screen. In 1969, at the age of 9, I could be left to play with my friends and wander several miles from home without any sens…

Surely you knew multiculturalism would destroy your high-trust homogeneous society. If not, the lesson is now very clear. It's not too late. We can go back.

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