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As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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I don't think people realize you're being sarcastic here.

No he isn't. Look at his other comment.

I did. It comes across to me as nothing but praise for the study of liberal arts. Am I misreading it?

I know plenty a scientists who'd love to create the next game-changing thing. But philosophy, governance, debate, argument, and understanding are not aspects taught in any good regard in STEM. Or should that thing even be created?

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What is "large-scale demographic manipulation on the part of the left and intelligentsia"? It sounds like you are trying to say people voted Republican to stop white people from becoming a minority in America? That cannot be achieved in 4 or even 8 years. And even if it could, why would the failure of that agenda be bad?

It may not have been a conscious thing. But I'm firmly of the opinion that this may have been the last election where Republicans were given the chance to reverse things. Daca, illegal immigrants voting, chain migration, refugees voting, PC control of public debate, leftist biased media and reporting, another 4 rounds of liberals leaving college indoctrinated into leftism, etc. All these things have been steadily cau…

I'm not as certain about those outcomes. The brainwashing ends where hunger begins. Look at Venezuela--there was no "right" to offset the leftist agenda and it ended, or is ending, predictably. The US has further to fall, of course. I'm watching Germany carefully--are the people there going to do anything about their government working against their own interests as citizens? And please understand that I don't view all immigration as bad or all non-whites as something other than humans with individual needs. No, I am talking in terms of individual liberty and having accountable, competent government, which is something even most Americans have no experience with.

I'm only pointing out that there was an endgame in play by the left in America and it was close to fruition. I prefer moderate, centrist policies, not far-left nor far-right adventurism into the pit of despair.

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> There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. There’s a slight silver lining to this - up until now there’s been very little motivation to reduce those large fixed costs.

If you read the article, you will see a that a lot of professors in more artistic fields (and many such programs) are being shut down. I don't think that is what you want from a University.

I think prostoalex is hoping universities would economise on things like administrators on seven-figure salaries, expensive luxury buildings, and so on.

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Fourth downside: there are exceptions but most of the US educated foreign students who go back home tend to have a good opinion of the US and also tend to make a good career at home. This is a very powerful form of soft power.

Switzerland did wonders for Kim Jong Un.

This is a flaw in HN, he made legitimate and witty comment and has been punished for that. Now, I can't prevent people from downvoting, but it really prevents lively discussion.

Maybe limit number of downvotes people can cast. I feel that this behavior is restricting normal discussion.

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This is good news. At the moment, universities are the primary gatekeepers to becoming a citizen in the U.S. Right now universities are capturing nearly 100% of the "citizenship cost" that immigrants pay start their path to becoming citizens. That is disgusting and greedy.

With 100K in loans paid to the university, anyone can come to the U.S. on a student visa, make contacts with companies, and eventually become a U.S. citizen. A U.S. graduate degree serves as the primary "citizenship cost" for a lot of immigrants.

Instead of New England universities shaking down immigrants, I would like to see midwestern small towns, red states, small business all get a piece of the small fortune that immigrants spend to come to the United States.

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There are really three different downsides to this. First, the foreign students cross-subsidize the locals' education. There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. So now the universities have fewer resources; hence cutting the newspaper funding etc. Second, the foreign students increase the schools' reputations and can collaborate with the faculty. Resear…

Fourth downside: there are exceptions but most of the US educated foreign students who go back home tend to have a good opinion of the US and also tend to make a good career at home. This is a very powerful form of soft power.

The current admin does not seem to have a strong appreciation for soft power, to put it mildly. All stick, no carrot.

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Math? USA is projected to grow over 3%. China is projected to grow less than 2%. At what point does China 'catch' USA? 3020?

Source? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-gdp/chinas-...

Oops. You are right. I read something but... now can't find it.

I hope they don't pass US.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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No he isn't. Look at his other comment.

I did. It comes across to me as nothing but praise for the study of liberal arts. Am I misreading it? I know plenty a scientists who'd love to create the next game-changing thing. But philosophy, governance, debate, argument, and understanding are not aspects taught in any good regard in STEM. Or should that thing even be created?

For the record, the first part is sarcastic. Marx warned that one thing the capitalists would cut is the very tools to analyze capitalism. The justification would be that it doesn't make money. Which, is true.

Current "liberal arts", aka feminism, SJW studies, and "who wronged me today" - those are absolutist political positions that frankly belong in a trash heap. These newer classes in specific schools only teach discord and strife. It is not the language of understanding the truth, but of victimization. They do not seek equality; instead they seek their pound of flesh.

Ive seen these arguments, especially about feminism on HN come around every 2-3 weeks, and it is the same tiring talking points. There is no meeting of the minds. There is dialectic -it just one screaming over another (with -1 mods to boot). I've avoided them as per recent because there is no resolution, and nobody seems to want any sort of meaningful change.

What I am talking of liberal arts, is that of classical liberal arts of the West and the East. It is the tools of philosophy and logic, argument and debate. It is how parties may argue and debate reasonably and uncover the truth of the matter. It is how to understand how a new invention changes society; it also shows the inventor's place in that structure.

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Switzerland did wonders for Kim Jong Un.

This is a flaw in HN, he made legitimate and witty comment and has been punished for that. Now, I can't prevent people from downvoting, but it really prevents lively discussion. Maybe limit number of downvotes people can cast. I feel that this behavior is restricting normal discussion.

It's better thought of as a trade-off than a flaw, because a different type of discourse can form. There are alternative venues if you want threads of witty comments.

No one is opposed to wit, but this comment didn't explain anything about the context. I needed to Google to know what the point was. It still seems more like a snarky comment than a serious argument.

I could have just responded with some lazy remark saying "Want short witty comments? Twitter this way." but I'd be a jerk for that.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Switzerland did wonders for Kim Jong Un.

>> Switzerland did wonders for Kim Jong Un. It did. You don't see Kim Jong Un threatening Switzerland.

And look at how many Swiss watches he's buying!
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