The only surprising thing about this article was how lowly paid a language professor is. $47,000? What?
As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting
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California really needs to bail on Proposition 13...
At the very least, California needs to make business and investment real estate not subject to Proposition 13. However, you can count on the fact that the business lobbyists will be out EN MASSE to stop any attempt like that.
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#44This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.
Sergey Brin went to Stanford. Musk went to UPenn and Stanford. Picchai went to Wharton and the University of Chicago. Narayan went to UC Berkeley. Only Brin and Musk came as undergrads and only Nadella originated at a so-so school: Wisconsin-Milwaukee (he made his way to an MBA at Chicago, too). By and large the article is not talking about those people. Undergrads are where schools make their money (lots of graduate…
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#45This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.
Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.
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#46This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.
Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.
https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017
http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017
The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.
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Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.
You may wish to look at recent performance of different countries in academic competitions like International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad for some objective metrics: https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017 http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017 The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.
IMO 2017: Lin, Gu, Bhattacharya, Chroman, Peng, Huang
IPhO 2017: Song, Raman, Balaji, Qin, Shi
I would guess that, for many if not most of them, their ancestors just immigrated to the US 1-2 generations ago.
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#48This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.
As other have pointed out, this is mostly about the schools losing full-tuition international students, ie.e "International students pay double the $6,445 tuition of Missouri residents" --which is insane. I mean, it's insane for in-state students to have to shell out 6.5 thousand a year for higher ed... The international students are typically those kids of parents who are perhaps middle to upper middle class in a fo…
Source? Most of the international students I went to school with are still here, working.
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another neutral/non-normative comment retracted
> The resentment comes because the UC system has a limited enrollment capacity with competitive admissions, and has a mission of educating residents. So when foreign students take some of those enrollment slots, local students who missed the cut feel cheated. It's competitive, however it is anything but impossible to get admission into a UC. I'd consider the paths to getting in straight forward. Either in highschool…
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You may wish to look at recent performance of different countries in academic competitions like International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad for some objective metrics: https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017 http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017 The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.
Also take a note of the last names of these US representatives (comprehensive lists for both subjects): IMO 2017: Lin, Gu, Bhattacharya, Chroman, Peng, Huang IPhO 2017: Song, Raman, Balaji, Qin, Shi I would guess that, for many if not most of them, their ancestors just immigrated to the US 1-2 generations ago.