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The only surprising thing about this article was how lowly paid a language professor is. $47,000? What?

Seems right to me, given the job prospects for someone whose talent is speaking two languages. Do you think the market for Italian / English specialists is super hot?

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I would highly recommend to Indian students not to study in the US going forward. At least until the generally hostile attitude towards immigrants and meaningful reforms in GC attainment is done. If you plan to lay down your roots in America after school, it will simply not happen in the current climate. Go study in Canada, Australia, UK, and India and contribute to those societies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

California really needs to bail on Proposition 13...

At the very least, California needs to make business and investment real estate not subject to Proposition 13. However, you can count on the fact that the business lobbyists will be out EN MASSE to stop any attempt like that.

even if they just get rid of Prop 13 on rentals and passing the benefit to children- at least a future generation may have a chance to affordability in CA... "Thanks to a state proposition that took effect in 1986, known as the "parent-child reassessment exclusion," a child can inherit a parent's principal residence, whether modest or worth millions, without triggering a reassessment for property taxes."

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This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Sergey Brin went to Stanford. Musk went to UPenn and Stanford. Picchai went to Wharton and the University of Chicago. Narayan went to UC Berkeley. Only Brin and Musk came as undergrads and only Nadella originated at a so-so school: Wisconsin-Milwaukee (he made his way to an MBA at Chicago, too). By and large the article is not talking about those people. Undergrads are where schools make their money (lots of graduate…

This is also an issue at Stanford, UPenn and so on. But as you probably know, those schools will never in a million years go candid with a reporter about it (due to prestige and other issues).

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This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.

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This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.

You may wish to look at recent performance of different countries in academic competitions like International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad for some objective metrics:

https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017

http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017

The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.

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Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.

You may wish to look at recent performance of different countries in academic competitions like International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad for some objective metrics: https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017 http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017 The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.

Also take a note of the last names of these US representatives (comprehensive lists for both subjects):

IMO 2017: Lin, Gu, Bhattacharya, Chroman, Peng, Huang

IPhO 2017: Song, Raman, Balaji, Qin, Shi

I would guess that, for many if not most of them, their ancestors just immigrated to the US 1-2 generations ago.

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This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

As other have pointed out, this is mostly about the schools losing full-tuition international students, ie.e "International students pay double the $6,445 tuition of Missouri residents" --which is insane. I mean, it's insane for in-state students to have to shell out 6.5 thousand a year for higher ed... The international students are typically those kids of parents who are perhaps middle to upper middle class in a fo…

> The international students are typically those kids of parents who are perhaps middle to upper middle class in a foreign country (JP, KR, TW, IN, CN, UK, AU, etc) who want to send their kids to an American school and get an "American" degree and go back home for a job

Source? Most of the international students I went to school with are still here, working.

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> The resentment comes because the UC system has a limited enrollment capacity with competitive admissions, and has a mission of educating residents. So when foreign students take some of those enrollment slots, local students who missed the cut feel cheated. It's competitive, however it is anything but impossible to get admission into a UC. I'd consider the paths to getting in straight forward. Either in highschool…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may wish to look at recent performance of different countries in academic competitions like International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad for some objective metrics: https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017 http://www.ipho2017.id/home#official-results-of-ipho-2017 The US ranks decently but behind China, Russia, and Vietnam, in both subjects.

Also take a note of the last names of these US representatives (comprehensive lists for both subjects): IMO 2017: Lin, Gu, Bhattacharya, Chroman, Peng, Huang IPhO 2017: Song, Raman, Balaji, Qin, Shi I would guess that, for many if not most of them, their ancestors just immigrated to the US 1-2 generations ago.

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