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Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by sjf »

mc32 wrote: post #9
junkscience2017 wrote: post #2

Schools like Cal are still offering too many slots to foreign students despite being chartered to serve the families of taxpayers who provide their funding. The same issue will eventually plague Canadian schools...foreign students will simply pay more directly for tuition even though taxpayers are still the core source of funds. For private universities, no one should care..they should select students from wherever t…

A question I would have, if I were an international student living in say, California, is why would I pay tuition as a legal immigrant on say a F-1 visa, but if I came in illegally, I would have a chance at getting a subsidy[1]? Could they just pretent to be illegal for the subsidy and then when done just go home on your F-1. It's not like the school would check or even less ask the feds about status. [1] https://stu…

You can't get an F1 visa without the school knowing, they are sponsoring the visa.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by aaron-lebo »

petilon wrote: post #10

This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Sergey Brin went to Stanford. Musk went to UPenn and Stanford. Picchai went to Wharton and the University of Chicago. Narayan went to UC Berkeley. Only Brin and Musk came as undergrads and only Nadella originated at a so-so school: Wisconsin-Milwaukee (he made his way to an MBA at Chicago, too).

By and large the article is not talking about those people. Undergrads are where schools make their money (lots of graduate students are funded anyway). Almost none of these people would have been affected. It's hard to overestimate how useful and desirable the top schools are.

When students from Akron are running any of those companies (a school the article talks about), then we can worry about losing out on top talent. I think the way US society is so divided based on if you went to a top college or not is just as problematic.

Not that the recent rhetoric isn't a problem...

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by curiousgal »

maoistinquisitr wrote: post #19
petilon wrote: post #10

This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.

I am yet to meet a single American who didn’t have access to college because of an international student. High tuition and fees are always the number one culprit.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by mc32 »

sjf wrote: post #21
mc32 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A question I would have, if I were an international student living in say, California, is why would I pay tuition as a legal immigrant on say a F-1 visa, but if I came in illegally, I would have a chance at getting a subsidy[1]? Could they just pretent to be illegal for the subsidy and then when done just go home on your F-1. It's not like the school would check or even less ask the feds about status. [1] https://stu…

You can't get an F1 visa without the school knowing, they are sponsoring the visa.

Couldn't you go AWOL and then register as undocumented? Or why not be able to register for Non-Resident Tuition Exemption? Wouldn't that be discriminatory in some sense?

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by whatever_dude »

brohoolio wrote: post #16

Trump is going to ruin the American economy. Attack universities by discouraging foreign students. Cut federal funding for research. Encourage political attacks on universities. The most damaging will be not forgiving student loans from people who went to scam universities, like Trump university. What Trump and others don’t recognize is that the American university system is a distributed system of factories that man…

What the current White House administration is doing right now is akin to the short-term-gain-focused changes one would do in a company to please investors who want to short:

* Remove or shrink employee (citizens) benefits

* Stop investing on R&D (education), just ride on what you currently have

* Alienate potential customer base and partners (other nations)

* Drive away top performing employees (citizens, entrepreneurs)

* Make sure your company is not attractive to new hires (alienate immigrants)

* Increase long term debt by giving bonuses to already rich people (tax breaks to millionaires)

This is going to come back to bite the country back in a decade or so, and it. Is. Not. Going. To. Be. Pretty.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by dragonwriter »

junkscience2017 wrote: post #2

Schools like Cal are still offering too many slots to foreign students despite being chartered to serve the families of taxpayers who provide their funding. The same issue will eventually plague Canadian schools...foreign students will simply pay more directly for tuition even though taxpayers are still the core source of funds. For private universities, no one should care..they should select students from wherever t…

> Schools like Cal are still offering too many slots to foreign students despite being chartered to serve the families of taxpayers who provide their funding.

Taxpayers don't provide their funding, taxpayers provide a partial subsidy of the costs associated with in-state students; this is why their is reduced tuition for such students.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by davidf18 »

Thus is a good sign. These foreign students compete with Americans for jobs and depress wages by artificially increasing supply. The fewer foreign students, the more Americans will be employed and with higher pay especially true of young college grads. The only losers are American corporations that will have to pay higher salaries.

The foreign students generally come from high income families able to afford out of state and private tuition while taking precious spots from Americans who dream of having a better life.

Thus foreign students not only take spots at prestigious public and private schools they then compete with Americans in the job market.

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Post by bsder »

megaman22 wrote: post #15
junkscience2017 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1977, education was 27% of the California State budget. In 2008, education was 37% of the California State budget, it is now 42%. And the absolute size of the budget itself is rising. So in fact funding is increasing as a percentage of the budget and in absolute scales. The only real recent drop was 2007-2008. There is plenty of money available to run UC prudently as a resource for residents...indeed, more than ev…

California really needs to bail on Proposition 13...

At the very least, California needs to make business and investment real estate not subject to Proposition 13.

However, you can count on the fact that the business lobbyists will be out EN MASSE to stop any attempt like that.

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by pimmen »

maoistinquisitr wrote: post #19
petilon wrote: post #10

This is bad news. People like Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, not to mention CEOs of Google, Microsoft and Adobe all came to the US as students. Without the immigration of the brightest on the planet, the US will, over time, lose its edge.

Probably the opposite. American students with options are deliberately avoiding the fields the foreign students crowd because of the wage and working conditions suppression the added competition produces. Deliberately discouraging the huge numbers of foreign students will help better cultivate greater American talent. A talent pool of 320 million people is plenty. We don't need to scour the globe.

Do you have any source for your claim at all?

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Post by [deleted] »

junkscience2017 wrote: post #2

Schools like Cal are still offering too many slots to foreign students despite being chartered to serve the families of taxpayers who provide their funding. The same issue will eventually plague Canadian schools...foreign students will simply pay more directly for tuition even though taxpayers are still the core source of funds. For private universities, no one should care..they should select students from wherever t…

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