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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by ars »

Udik wrote: post #95
ars wrote: post #76

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> Tel Aviv is the internationally accepted capital of Israel, not Jerusalem. Can we please not post that nonsense here? I expect it in some of the stupider social networks (which tend to draw a certain kind of poster), but seeing that here is surprising. Other countries do not get to tell a county where its capital is. What exactly makes Tel Aviv the capital anyway? There's no seat of government there, nothing. Did t…

> Can we please not post that nonsense here? Can you please not post nonsense here. Tel Aviv IS the internationally accepted capital of Israel, period. It's a fact you might like or not, but it remains a fact. All the world's embassies are in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem.

I'm really sad to see this kind of thing here.

You would think this kind of thing would be limited to fringe websites, and Arab sites.

> Tel Aviv IS the internationally accepted capital of Israel, period.

There is no such concept. Since when does the international anything "accept" a capital? As if the decision was given to them!

> It's a fact

You don't know what a fact is.

> All the world's embassies are in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem.

That doesn't make it a capitol. It just means ambassadors have extra travel to do to get to the actual seat of government.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

#112

Post by ars »

lostlogin wrote: post #110
LorenPechtel wrote: post #104

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Remember who owns Al Jazeeera. Hint: A terrorist sponsor.

A strict definition sees many governments tarred with this brush, with the US, Russia, UK being stand outs. Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting, and they have some good points. This line of arguing achieves nothing, but that’s the point isn’t it? AJ has some of the best reporting about, but attacking the messenger and not the message is far easier isn’t it?

AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4

> but attacking the messenger

They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it.

> Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting

No. This is false. No one sees terrorists as freedom fighting, except for those who support them.

A terrorist is a terrorist. Period. Calling them freedom fighters is utterly repulsive, and whitewashing things like "killing a 4 year old girl by smashing her skull against the rocks with the butt of his rifle." Yes, that is the loathsome creature who AJ celebrated.

Tell me how that is freedom fighting? I challenge you - tell me, exactly how that is freedom fighting. I await your answer.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by bsaul »

ceejayoz wrote: post #45
prove_np wrote: post #37

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I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

> We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I suspect if Palestinians had F-16s and Apache gunships available they, too, would avoid street battles.

If the military situation were reversed, there would be no jews on this land. That tells you a bit who really wants to exterminate the other in that conflict.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by pwaai »

Udik wrote: post #68
pwaai wrote: post #65

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I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just. The palestine side does not have the resources or military hardware so they turn to asymmetric warfare. On the other hand israel faces a huge security issue as a result and will deploy their resources accordingly. I do have a lingering hope, given the number of organizations fighting asymmetric warfare like the IRA, FARC have…

> I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just. Doesn't seem to me a very sound stance, as you can do very evil or wrong things while doing what you believe is just. I agree with the "asymmetric warfare" definition (which by the way implies conventional warfare from one of the two sides); however you should not forget that is one of the two parties that is illegally occu…

All I'm saying is there's no absolutes in life. Everything is relative.

I'm not denying Palestines their right to freedom. I'm not denying Israelis their right to exist.

All I've done is just depict the situation as it is. No judgement, no side taking.

North Korea does what it does to survive. South Korea does what it needs to do to the same.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by lostlogin »

ars wrote: post #112
lostlogin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A strict definition sees many governments tarred with this brush, with the US, Russia, UK being stand outs. Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting, and they have some good points. This line of arguing achieves nothing, but that’s the point isn’t it? AJ has some of the best reporting about, but attacking the messenger and not the message is far easier isn’t it?

AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 > but attacking the messenger They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it. > Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting No. This is false. No one sees terro…

“I await your answer”. Really?

Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by ars »

lostlogin wrote: post #115
ars wrote: post #112

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AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 > but attacking the messenger They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it. > Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting No. This is false. No one sees terro…

“I await your answer”. Really? Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

> Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for.

And I guess that includes killing 4 year old girls?

And that's it? That's your feeble defense? "That man didn’t help his cause." No condemnation, no, "this is not what Palestinian are."

But of course you don't, because you can't, because this is the kind of offal Palestinians value. People who kill 4 year olds and rejoice in it.

If only this was some sort of one-off, that it was not representative, that it was just "didn't help his cause". But it's not, this is the kind of behavior Palestinians delight in. For example that guy who stabbed a young girl to death in her bed. Did they condemn that, or did they celebrate that?

You know the answer very well.

> This is not related to the issue though is it?

Of course is it. If AJ is going to throw that human excrement a birthday party then that are almost as loathsome as he is.

No one should ever read them again, that have removed themself from civilized life. Anything they say should be assumed false unless otherwise proven.

> AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

Only if by better you mean "praising and valuing terrorism".

If you are a Palestinian that it must suck to know you are by extension part of a group that is this horrible. I know very well not all Palestinians are this bad. Unfortunately the majority are. The fact that you don't condemn, and you even try to defend, them disturbs me though....

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by lostlogin »

ars wrote: post #116
lostlogin wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I await your answer”. Really? Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

> Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. And I guess that includes killing 4 year old girls? And that's it? That's your feeble defense? "That man didn’t help his cause." No condemnation, no, "this is not what Palestinian are." But of course you don't, because you can't, because this is the kind of offal Palestinians value. People who kill 4 year olds and rejoice in it. If only this was some sort of on…

It’s intersting the way you shut down any discussion of Israeli wrongs, but broaden discussion on any opposing views even if off topic (ie story isn’t valid as it’s from AJ). It’s almost as though you have a vested interest in one sides view only.

A constructive approach is needed by both sides, not more of the same. You are desperate for a finger pointing fight and seem to be hoping to vilify me for being Palestinian. Why?

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by ars »

lostlogin wrote: post #117
ars wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. And I guess that includes killing 4 year old girls? And that's it? That's your feeble defense? "That man didn’t help his cause." No condemnation, no, "this is not what Palestinian are." But of course you don't, because you can't, because this is the kind of offal Palestinians value. People who kill 4 year olds and rejoice in it. If only this was some sort of on…

It’s intersting the way you shut down any discussion of Israeli wrongs, but broaden discussion on any opposing views even if off topic (ie story isn’t valid as it’s from AJ). It’s almost as though you have a vested interest in one sides view only. A constructive approach is needed by both sides, not more of the same. You are desperate for a finger pointing fight and seem to be hoping to vilify me for being Palestinia…

> It’s intersting the way you shut down any discussion of Israeli wrongs

I made absolutely no mention of Israel at all.

> ie story isn’t valid as it’s from AJ

Correct. You need another source. By supporting a murderer AJ has removed themself from civilized discourse.

> be hoping to vilify me for being Palestinian. Why?

Hoping to? Dude, you refused to condemn someone who killed a 4 year old by bashing her head in!!

What is wrong with you?

(If you refuse to condemn that, I guess it makes sense you would support AJ.)

Before I say another word to you I want to hear an unequivocal condemnation of that terrorist, and an unequivocal condemnation of AJ for throwing him a birthday party.

If you refuse to do that you have removed yourself from the realm of civilized people and I want nothing to do with you.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by lostlogin »

ars wrote: post #118
lostlogin wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s intersting the way you shut down any discussion of Israeli wrongs, but broaden discussion on any opposing views even if off topic (ie story isn’t valid as it’s from AJ). It’s almost as though you have a vested interest in one sides view only. A constructive approach is needed by both sides, not more of the same. You are desperate for a finger pointing fight and seem to be hoping to vilify me for being Palestinia…

> It’s intersting the way you shut down any discussion of Israeli wrongs I made absolutely no mention of Israel at all. > ie story isn’t valid as it’s from AJ Correct. You need another source. By supporting a murderer AJ has removed themself from civilized discourse. > be hoping to vilify me for being Palestinian. Why? Hoping to? Dude, you refused to condemn someone who killed a 4 year old by bashing her head in!! Wh…

Wow.

> I made absolutely no mention of Israel at all.

I refer to the thread as a whole, not just comments to me.

You’re obsessed with a bad guy who did bad things that is irrelevant to the thread, so of course I don’t join your soirée into the irrelevant (my race? Really?).

You keep arguing about the messenger, not the message. Dispute the message with a contrary link, not an attack on the messenger. There is a term for this style of argument.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by vfulco »

saas_co_de wrote: post #69
codedokode wrote: post #61

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US Govt doesn't need to ban anything because most of IT companies are in their jurisdiction and they can use a court.

Use a court for what? We have a thing called a constitution with free speech rights here. The govt gets nothing by going to court. They get what they want by intimidation, threats and bribes. When someone in the US govt wants something from Google or Facebook they go to them and remind them about anti-trust law and the FTC and tell them that if they do what they are told they will have people in secret committees tel…

A country I live in has a constitution with free speech, freedom of assembly and the press. When someone attempts to use those freedoms, they and their lawyers disappear. It's not worth the paper it's written on.
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