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Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by codedokode »

saas_co_de wrote: post #55
pjc50 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There may be no way to satisfy the demands, and countries will ban companies that don't comply. It's not a new problem; here's a 2003 article about Microsoft having trouble due to shipping a timezone map. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20030822-00/?p=...

> countries will ban companies that don't comply Not really. China and Russia are the only countries in the world with the political will to ban a company like Facebook or Google where the market actually matters. The US gov has no legal authority to ban anything. If you fold to them it is just because you are weak and scared or greedy for whatever the are offering you.

US Govt doesn't need to ban anything because most of IT companies are in their jurisdiction and they can use a court.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Para2016 »

eecc wrote: post #46
prove_np wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

Then stop your government from taunting, harassing and humiliating Palestinians. I understand being prey of FUD so I can imagine how difficult it is -- what if we let them, they'll take over, they'll out-number us, push us back to the sea! -- but you should collectively stop voting cynical sociopaths that lead your country just to prepare for the next round of war and further cement their grip on their constituency.

You're so woke it's incredible.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by lostlogin »

shard972 wrote: post #47
Barrin92 wrote: post #7

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yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

Doesn't help either that zuckerberg is a jew.

Doesn’t hinder either. It’s individuals doing harm, not Judaism.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by wavefunction »

Animats wrote: post #24

Censorship has become far too easy, with a few key players in a position to muzzle vast numbers of others. The Internet wasn't supposed to work this way.

Censorship can only be committed by the government. The fact that facebook is complying with requests from governments is both the right and responsibility of facebook.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by pwaai »

prove_np wrote: post #37
pwaai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over ther…

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just. The palestine side does not have the resources or military hardware so they turn to asymmetric warfare. On the other hand israel faces a huge security issue as a result and will deploy their resources accordingly.

I do have a lingering hope, given the number of organizations fighting asymmetric warfare like the IRA, FARC have now turned to non violent political representation, that we might see some change.

I condemn acts of terrorism there is simply nothing that justifies the murder of innocent lives, period.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Udik »

lostlogin wrote: post #63
shard972 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't help either that zuckerberg is a jew.

Doesn’t hinder either. It’s individuals doing harm, not Judaism.

It's not individuals doing harm, it's the Jewish state, as Israel defines itself. Of course from being Jewish doesn't follow a support for Israel (and there are many harsh critics of Israel who are indeed Jewish)- however let's not pretend there is no connection at all, as that is obviously not true.

If Zuckerberg were of Arab Palestinian descent it wouldn't be hard to imagine a greater sympathy for the Palestinian cause.

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Post by mannyk7 »

It almost makes sense for all civilized societies to threat those who incite violence as a threat to the stability of the society.

But we can look deeper. Violence is usually a symptom of a disease and not necessarily a contagious disease itself that need to be purged.

It's a test of will for a nation state to properly handle dissenting voices.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Udik »

pwaai wrote: post #65
prove_np wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just. The palestine side does not have the resources or military hardware so they turn to asymmetric warfare. On the other hand israel faces a huge security issue as a result and will deploy their resources accordingly. I do have a lingering hope, given the number of organizations fighting asymmetric warfare like the IRA, FARC have…

> I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just.

Doesn't seem to me a very sound stance, as you can do very evil or wrong things while doing what you believe is just.

I agree with the "asymmetric warfare" definition (which by the way implies conventional warfare from one of the two sides); however you should not forget that is one of the two parties that is illegally occupying, controlling and expropriating a good portion of the other's territory.

If you see two people fighting in the street,the fact that one has illegally appropriated (i.e. stolen) something from the other might give you a better idea of what's going on.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by saas_co_de »

codedokode wrote: post #61
saas_co_de wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> countries will ban companies that don't comply Not really. China and Russia are the only countries in the world with the political will to ban a company like Facebook or Google where the market actually matters. The US gov has no legal authority to ban anything. If you fold to them it is just because you are weak and scared or greedy for whatever the are offering you.

US Govt doesn't need to ban anything because most of IT companies are in their jurisdiction and they can use a court.

Use a court for what? We have a thing called a constitution with free speech rights here. The govt gets nothing by going to court. They get what they want by intimidation, threats and bribes.

When someone in the US govt wants something from Google or Facebook they go to them and remind them about anti-trust law and the FTC and tell them that if they do what they are told they will have people in secret committees telling congressmen and senators that they are vital to national security and to leave them alone.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by dogma1138 »

gridaphobe wrote: post #42
this2shallPass wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This information does support the claim that the Israeli government submitted requests to Facebook. I wonder if Facebook publishes information on how many requests each government makes. Aside: It's funny the article says Tel Aviv submitted the requests, when the office is in Jerusalem http://www.justice.gov.il/ContactUs/Pages/default.aspx . Subtle.

It’s standard to use the capital city to refer to the actions of a state. Tel Aviv is the internationally accepted capital of Israel, not Jerusalem.

Tel Aviv is not the capital city of Israel to anyone but to the Arab media.

In fact this isn’t even a reference to the capital but how the Arab media refers to Israel in order not to recognize it.

I can guarantee to you that the original quote was “Israel or The Israeli government has submitted...”

AJ is just doing their creative editing.

I wonder if they’ll publish the posts again last time it had nothing to do with human rights unless the right to stab people is a human right now.

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