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Re: The iPhone X

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Post by thinkythought »

mikestew wrote: post #31
brian-armstrong wrote: post #3

This is an incredibly fanboy-y article even by Gruber standards. I'm not sure he's physically capable of criticizing Apple, even if he wanted to.

My take on Gruber is to not take him seriously. Don't take his recommendations, he'll flip on a dime. For example, when the Pebble was announced he was first in line on the Kickstarter. It shipped, he liked it. As soon as the Apple Watch came out, the Pebble was suddenly a piece of shit. I'm also convinced that he recommends things that he's either never used, or took money to recommend. An outstanding example is a w…

I don't see any real contradiction here. The original pebble was very cool for the time, and the price was reasonable. But the design was a bit cheap/silly and it had serious limitations. The apple watch was one of the first actual full featured ones that continued to be built upon, and is still very usable today having improved with software the entire time. Pebble's were dying within the first year and people got increasingly unhappy. They always had weird bluetooth issues and other thorn-in-side small glitches

I owned both, and i think those are completely congruent takes in their time periods.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by thinkythought »

jsgo wrote: post #44

All in all, I'm pleased with the phone. There are some things that are pretty rough, though, and that compensating for the removal of the home button has caused a glaring problem. Shutdown being the biggest one so far for me. The Konami code that you have to enter in order to initiate getting the slider to appear is nothing short of amazing. I'm hoping at some point a button to activate the slider ends up in Control…

Honestly i find the screenshot shortcut way worse. I would happily take control center screenshots only(like recording a video screenshot) to turn this godawful shortcut off.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by Redoubts »

mikewhy wrote: post #36

This bit especially irked me: "In iOS 11 X, almost every role of the home button has been subsumed by the display, with the remainder reassigned to the side button: - Wake the device: tap the display. - Go to the home screen: short swipe up from the bottom of display. - Go to the multitasking switcher: longer swipe up from the bottom. - Even better way to multitask: just swipe sideways on the home indicator. - Access…

Yeah, I was really surprised the long-press-left-edge wasn’t a gesture that made it to the X, among other things.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by mcphage »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #53
mcphage wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've seen Thurrot recommend products from more than one company. Gruber, never. That's also definitely not true. He's been a big supporter of Amazon's Echo line, he's mentioned a number of Android phones he likes—hell, on his front page right now he links glowingly to an article about how much better Google Maps is than Apple Maps.

> He's been a big supporter of Amazon's Echo line Apple doesn't have a competing product. Please read the rest of the GP post. > he's mentioned a number of Android phones he likes Yet he prefers the Apple phones to all of them. Again, read the remainder of the GP post. > on his front page right now he links glowingly to an article about how much better Google Maps is than Apple Maps. Yet he himself still prefers Appl…

You seem to have missed the part of your own post—the one you're commenting on a reply to—where you stated "I've seen Thurrot recommend products from more than one company. Gruber, never."

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by nunez »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #28
mcphage wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is an incredibly fanboy-y article even by Gruber standards. Agreed... this was the most Gruber-y he's ever Grubered: "Is the higher price of the iPhone X over the iPhones 8 justified? [...] But you also get something you can’t compare in a checkmark comparison — a sort of joie de vivre ." > I'm not sure he's physically capable of criticizing Apple, even if he wanted to. That's definitely not true. While he gen…

There was some stretch of time where I'd visit his blog once every week or so and catch up. He has a tendency to take Apple flaws and spin them as good things. Even when he does criticize Apple it's only half heartedly. I'm not sure who wins the spin competition between him and Paul Thurrott

thurrott in my opinion because he wasn't afraid to bash on Microsoft SUPER hard after Windows 8 dropped.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by nunez »

I like Gruber, but this article has so many words for so little content.

As far as I understood it, he basically said, in many words, that iPhone X (and, by extension, removing the home button) is the beginning of a new age for the iPhone. That's well and good, but I don't agree with him.

The competitive gap between iPhone and everything else is WAY smaller than it was in 2007, and with Google in the mix and actually-good cameras being available on Android now, that gap is becoming smaller by the day. Face ID is all well and good, but I don't think it's a major differentiator like multi-touch was in 2007.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by nunez »

roc wrote: post #41
willtim wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps one might admit that Apple are late to the game with OLED and edge-to-edge displays?

Admit? Like it's a secret he's trying to cover up? Apple people simply don't care. They know Apple's "late." (Inasmuch as someone else has done a similar thing, or used a similar piece of tech "first".) Because Apple is almost always late. Late to touch. Late to smartphones. Late to fingerprint readers. Late to face identification. Late to attention detection. Late to wireless charging. Late to big screens. Late to m…

They weren't late to killing the headphone jack lol

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by lern_too_spel »

mcphage wrote: post #64
lern_too_spel wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's been a big supporter of Amazon's Echo line Apple doesn't have a competing product. Please read the rest of the GP post. > he's mentioned a number of Android phones he likes Yet he prefers the Apple phones to all of them. Again, read the remainder of the GP post. > on his front page right now he links glowingly to an article about how much better Google Maps is than Apple Maps. Yet he himself still prefers Appl…

You seem to have missed the part of your own post—the one you're commenting on a reply to—where you stated "I've seen Thurrot recommend products from more than one company. Gruber, never."

You seem to be more interested in pedantry than in understanding the point of the post, which you've conceded.

To be extra pedantic, none of your examples show Gruber recommending a non-Apple product at all. At most, Gruber concludes that they have some useful features. When he writes about the Echo, he writes about how Apple will do it better.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/12/26/wynn-echo

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/11/06/amazon-echo

And peak MacGruber: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/04/27/amazon-echo-loo...

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by ec109685 »

Some of the descriptions are so overwrought:

My acclimation to the iPhone X has made using an iPad feel anachronistic — I want to swipe up from the bottom to go home there too.

With Touch ID, after you tap a particular notification in the middle of the display, you then must move your finger down to the home button to authenticate. I always found that annoying. Now that I’m used to the iPhone X, I find it to be intolerable.

Whereas the first bumps, on the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, were like blemishes. If you’re going to have a bump, have a fucking bump.

But if I pick up or glance at an iPhone without it, I’m skeeved out.

Things I notice instantly: the display looks very small, the colors look too cool at night (because of the aforementioned lack of True Tone), and the perfectly square corners of the display seem downright crude.

It’s unique in Apple history — if not all of consumer computing history — for the same version of the OS to present two distinct interfaces that are so markedly different.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by bitmapbrother »

bsaul wrote: post #21
bitmapbrother wrote: post #13

Cut Gruber some slack. He needs to stay in Apple's graces.

That’s where we are now. We integrated sponsored content so much, that we don’t even get angry when some bloggers, writing under his own personal name, seems to have been paid to write a piece of ad, in what is supposed to be a personnal opinion. This whole culture needs to go down the sh_tter. We tolerate youtubers lying about things they like, bloggers lying about their own opinions, companies hidding abusive condi…

This isn't about being paid. Gruber has too much integrity to do such a thing and a serious journalist would never risk their reputation. What Gruber isn't above is heavily criticizing Apple for fear of getting blacklisted because, for a pro Apple blogger, that would be a death sentence.
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