Isn't Shanghai an "autonomous" region? I wonder how much this has to do with preventing Shanghai from becoming larger than Beijing.
Probably nothing given that the article states Beijing has an even lower target population cap.
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#192The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
> The problem they're trying to solve is city slums,
Source? The original article doesn't seem to suggest this.
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#193Genuinely curious : What's a good alternative to setting a population limit per city ? Having lived in cities that are crumbling under poor infrastructure, unchecked growth, excessive pollution (from vehicles, stuck in endless traffic jams), shortage of water/electricity, I wonder what can be done to fix this. Everyone from across the country wants to migrate to a few big cities that provide good employment. We shoul…
1) Move away from internal combustion vehicles as the basis of your transportation system. Use rising productivity to grow public transit capacity. Concentrate new developments and migrants into central areas where cars aren’t needed.
2) Zone most blocks for (high quality, safe) towers and make others into parks.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As demanding and dangerous as poorly regulated manufacturing workplaces can be, they tend to be no more demanding and no more dangerous than agricultural work. Sometimes changes in climate can also lead to agricultural work simply becoming impossible/unprofitable, thus forcing rural labor to move to the cities, looking for work which isn't impacted by the climate. At least that's what happened in Syria [0], the sad…
Ongoing automation of the agriculture economy in China is a much bigger displacement of labor than climate change. Without deep study it would be hard to even guess if climate change will be a net positive or negative for agricultural output in a country as large and diverse as China. Some what disappointing to see the "climate change" meme come up so often as the cause for some badness in the world when it is, at be…
> Some what disappointing to see the "climate change" meme come up so often as the cause for some badness in the world when it is, at best, tangentially related to the issue being discussed.
Nowhere in my comment did I make "man-made climate change" a topic, I merely pointed out that outside of economic factors there are also environmental factors which can make rural agricultural production unprofitable if not straight up unviable.
As such it's quite relevant to the parent's point of "Why do people move from rural areas to urban centers?"
Because I'm pretty sure that Syria isn't the only place on Earth suffering from droughts, or other changes in climate, impacting a regions viability for agricultural production.
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#195If “excess” people are moved to a second-tier city X miles away, what happens when that city is full - create a third-tier city Y miles away? Will there be a separate transportation network between first-tier cities? Permits/visas to travel between city-states?
Yes. I have friends who are on waiting lists for residence permits in Shanghai, etc.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
>you can see slums and sometimes dead people lying in the streets with no assistance hahaha nice try anti China shill with your 2 hour old shill account, Shanghai isn't India or Africa. This guy obviously has never been to Shanghai. There are neither slums or dead people. Low skilled migrant workers just like mexicans back in the US sometimes live in rundown apartments stacked 10 deep but the government has recently…
Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .
Really? What year was it and what neighborhood?
I admit this is anecdotal but I’ve been to Shanghai several times and never seen any dead bodies in the streets? China has some huge social problems and I did see some homeless people and beggars but no bodies.
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#197If “excess” people are moved to a second-tier city X miles away, what happens when that city is full - create a third-tier city Y miles away? Will there be a separate transportation network between first-tier cities? Permits/visas to travel between city-states?
Yes. I have friends who are on waiting lists for residence permits in Shanghai, etc.
Is it a FIFO queue or are there qualification criteria or scoring systems?
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being poor is almost universally a negative experience, and has been for virtually all of human history. Noting the degrees of awfulness between various poverty cases does not endorse of any of them. This attack is lazy thinking in the extreme.
With minimal research on the topic, the labor situation in these cases isn’t far removed from slavery for these workers, specifically outside the US. Especially look into the situation for the migrant construction workers from Pakistan (which I mentioned in another comment) in the UAE as one example. The work conditions can easily get them killed or permanently injured, they sleep in mud floor huts with no running wa…
It is not helpful to scatter snarly phrases like "if you did your research". Also here you have created a straw man argument by introducing ideas that are tenuously resulted and then criticising the parent as though they had taken a position on them. Please engage in the conversation in good faith.
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#199If “excess” people are moved to a second-tier city X miles away, what happens when that city is full - create a third-tier city Y miles away? Will there be a separate transportation network between first-tier cities? Permits/visas to travel between city-states?
Dallas Fort-Worth?
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
With minimal research on the topic, the labor situation in these cases isn’t far removed from slavery for these workers, specifically outside the US. Especially look into the situation for the migrant construction workers from Pakistan (which I mentioned in another comment) in the UAE as one example. The work conditions can easily get them killed or permanently injured, they sleep in mud floor huts with no running wa…
It is not helpful to scatter snarly phrases like "if you did your research". Also here you have created a straw man argument by introducing ideas that are tenuously resulted and then criticising the parent as though they had taken a position on them. Please engage in the conversation in good faith.
> Please engage in the conversation in good faith.
Agree, thus toned down my reply a bit. After comments like “recalibrate your Bernie Sanders radar” (I’m a registered Republican if that matters, but haven’t voted along party lines in years) and being accused of being lazy and attacking someone (which I certainly didn’t), my tone might’ve caught a bit of unintended edge.
I do find it interesting that all three comments in reply to me added zero to engaging the conversation, yet you replied to me. I guess I’ll take it as a compliment that you saw merit in what I said if only it had a been a bit less on edge.