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Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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I think using your analytical mind to affect your attention and behavior in social situations isn't the best way to learn social skills, because it's too easy to come across as creepy if you don't have the right "feel" for doing these things. My own approach is more about unlocking another part of your mind, to which socializing makes sense natively. It's a bit more inwardly focused, but still supposed to be used in…

I think these techniques are initially analytical in nature, and may seem forced, but eventually it becomes habit, and you don't have to think about it on a moment-to-moment basis. Your last sentence is interesting, but quite a cliffhanger. Can you expand upon your technique or point us to some resources?

I'm not even sure it will work for anyone besides me...

The overall approach was inspired by the book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" by Betty Edwards. It starts with some simple exercises that don't teach you to draw per se, but get you into a strange inner state where drawing makes sense. (Repeating real world curves and angles with your pencil without looking at the paper, redrawing a sketch upside down, etc.) It works incredibly well - an adult with zero artistic skill could do these exercises for a couple hours and get a strong sense of "holy shit, I can draw anything I want!" It really feels like you're unlocking a part of your brain that was always there. And the upgrade sticks with you for life.

The point is that I think many skills, especially those with a bimodal separation (you either get it or don't), are really about your inner state. The right inner state is hard to teach, but it can be taught, and then you gain the skill quickly and almost miraculously. For example, all those infuriating people telling you to "just be yourself" are referring to some kind of change in inner state, but haven't found the key to communicating it. For drawing, Betty Edwards has found the key. For social skills, no one has found the key yet. I'm skeptical that my approach will work for everyone, but I'm certain that self-experimenting on your inner state when around other people is more fruitful than trying to force things with them (bravely approach! pay attention! ask them about their job!) It might take a long time though. For me it took years, and only after I stumbled into the right state a few times by accident.

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Anyway, if you want to follow me, here's what I would suggest. All training must be done while you're around other people, and the first step is noticing just how much information you're sending out. Many nerdy folks don't even fully register their own mood - how good or bad they feel at any given moment - even when everyone around them can see it plain as day. To me it felt at first like a firehose of information, much of it negative, that I couldn't help but blast at whoever was close. (Not through words! Through my pose, my eyes, etc.)

One way to notice it is by contrast. Watch a clip by Sean Paul, and imagine that everyone around is constantly comparing you to him. That's the firehose. It's very hard to change, because it feels like "water", a part of what you are. And it's hard to accept that the true reason people don't flock to you is your low-grade depression. It feels unfair! But becoming hyper-aware of it is the first step you must take.

When I'm socializing, the focus of my mind is being aware of that firehose of information. It's easy enough to redirect when it feels nasty (just turn it away from other people). And if I deliberately ignore what I want from other people, and focus entirely on making my firehose a bit less off-putting to them, I can slowly affect change. Breathe out, breathe in slowly, don't lose touch with the immovable object, and very carefully make it move.

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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A good guide to become a likeable "nice guy" chump... unfortunately, multiple studies show that even narcissism is more correlated with success and attractiveness than trying to show you're likeable, non-threatening person. While things in this article are mostly factually correct, they don't work as the author claims. One thing to consider is that many people who write these books and articles are usually thinkers,…

What are you trying to say?

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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I think I had someone try this on me- I just recall thinking they were a patronizing ass.

If you are asked "What do you find the hardest part of that job?", would you find that to be patronizing?

No- I would be concerned they were having a stroke though.

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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One tip mentioned is to raise your eyebrows. As example: when you first meet someone, raise your eyebrows slightly (or one), smile, and tilt your head and greet them. Making someone else feel special makes you charming. Along the same lines: I find that voice cadences, and inflection, work pretty well for being charming! Take time to enuncicate the whole sentence you want to say, throw emotion into your words. And if…

Of course, if you do these things wrong you've just plunged yourself into the uncanny valley, and are now creepy.

Like everything else, you need to train it.

I have seen babies learn to walk, they don't get it the first, or the fifth time, but their parents encourage them, and most learn it.

However social skills are a completely different beast: here we just accept it as whatever you happen to learn is whatever level you will just have to live with.

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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> * Practice empathy. People usually don't want advice, they most often simply want someone else to understand their experiences. If they are open to advice and you have a tidbit of wisdom, share it kindly and with obvious humility This is a thing I sometimes crave... People are very eager to teach you lessons and give one advice after another, when you open yourself up even the tiniest bit, if your life is even slig…

I was an idiot who was on the advice giving side. Looking back I can see how I was a really shitty friend. I am glad to come across these types of topics so that the person opening up to me can have someone who listens without jumping in with advice. Please forgive us idiots who don’t know any better.

Don't be so harsh on yourself. Frankly I too am sometimes one of those idiots. The urge to advice someone, especially if you think you know the domain well, is very hard to resist. While I always was annoyed by advices (THB also when I needed them the most), it's rather late when I realised how much I was guilty of giving them invasively. Since then I'm actively avoiding giving advices unless asked.

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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The article mentions getting someone to like you unnaturally fast to divulge information. This happened to me once. I was a character reference for a friend who needed security clearance for a position in the UK, and they sent a a guy to come and interview me. About 45 minutes later I came out of the room and quickly realised I'd been mined for information (all good, luckily for my friend). While it was happening it…

You can see that principle at work in the interrogation of Reality Winner. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015e-c5e7-ddab-a57f-cfe7d...

Can somebody explain why RW was not read her Miranda rights? Was it because she was never placed in custody?

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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A good guide to become a likeable "nice guy" chump... unfortunately, multiple studies show that even narcissism is more correlated with success and attractiveness than trying to show you're likeable, non-threatening person. While things in this article are mostly factually correct, they don't work as the author claims. One thing to consider is that many people who write these books and articles are usually thinkers,…

What are you trying to say?

That none of those "tricks" will make you more charming.

Re: Tricks to make yourself effortlessly charming

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You can see that principle at work in the interrogation of Reality Winner. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015e-c5e7-ddab-a57f-cfe7d...

Can somebody explain why RW was not read her Miranda rights? Was it because she was never placed in custody?

Yes. A good primer: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-questioning-m...
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