Earlier quoted context omitted.
Greater Beijing region may be?
Greater BJ is just about 20 million.
Greater BJ + nearby parts of Hubei?
Shanghai sets population at 25M
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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#92Because they have learned their lesson with Hong Kong when they cant really control property market and what problems it leads to.
What problems does it lead to in Hong Kong? I'd have thought Hong Kong is one of the most livable cities in China
Here is two recent article from SMCP
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2097715/w...
http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2064554/hong-kong-named...
No other developed place / cities poses a problem as bad as HK. If you just look at how it compares to Sydney and Vancouver.
Housing affordability leads to lots of other social problems. And Social instability is the last thing China wants.
It was one reason why I think the recent article on Fouder's salary using data from
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
Dont necessary put things in right prospective. The one bed room prices while being cheaper in San Francisco, its Living room is likely bigger then the total size of the one bed room apartment in HK.
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#93The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
I think that the reason the poor move to city slums and accept bad housing, working conditions, services, and infrastructure is because the poor consider their lives improved by urban living.
I think the choice isn't between bad urban conditions and good conditions somewhere else. The choice is between bad urban conditions and bad rural conditions. Bad urban conditions provide people with better economic opportunity than bad rural conditions. Urban conditions provide more social mobility and this also tends to improve the economic prospects of the poor.
As demanding and dangerous as poorly regulated manufacturing workplaces can be, they tend to be no more demanding and no more dangerous than agricultural work.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was 8.3m 100 years ago, and it's 9.1m now.
There were a couple notable wars in that time though.
England was barely affected by the first World War. France, Germany, Austria, Serbia, the Ottoman Empire, and Russia bore the brunt of the fighting.
And compared to the other belligerents, it was barely affected by the second, too. British colonial policies during the war killed more of their own subjects in India, then the Germans ever did on the home isles. (For anyone wondering why India sought independence... Well, that was a factor.)
Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#96The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
I think that the reason the poor move to city slums and accept bad housing, working conditions, services, and infrastructure is because the poor consider their lives improved by urban living. I think the choice isn't between bad urban conditions and good conditions somewhere else. The choice is between bad urban conditions and bad rural conditions. Bad urban conditions provide people with better economic opportunity…
Got point. I think the concept even applies to 1st world countries, where in cities like NYC lower income people will endure decrepit conditions for similar opportunities.
There's also this notion that even if you're in poverty you can disguise it living in the city and bring part of it.
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#97Most of China's city's the man who decides, don't know city develop, the purpose of what they do is simple, to please their superior, for their own career, or what they do is just what they like.
Do not think them complicated, reference their small brain, they're not complicated.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Greater BJ is just about 20 million.
Greater BJ + nearby parts of Hubei?
Beijing is a province in itself with a lot of countryside and satellite cities (chanping, miyun, etc...). It would be weird to include nearby surrounding hebei.
Perhaps they meant Beijing and Tianjin combined + Langfang and Zhangjiakou? That could be around 40 million. Jingjinji (Tiānjīn, Beijing, Hebei) is around 130 million, but that includes all of hebei.
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#99China’s policies are confusing, first they wanted to move everyone to the major cities, now the cities are saying they will cap the populations. Anyone know what is going on?
They're in a situation where they need to dramatically slow down debt accumulation, which will slow down economic growth a bit faster than otherwise anticipated. It's a whiplash action, going from the growth the last 20 years (in which people were aggressively encouraged to move into the cities) to needing to strictly control that growth and the correlated debt expansion. Manufacturing stopped net expanding years ago…
What are successful paths to transition to a services economy? Where does the money typically come from?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that the reason the poor move to city slums and accept bad housing, working conditions, services, and infrastructure is because the poor consider their lives improved by urban living. I think the choice isn't between bad urban conditions and good conditions somewhere else. The choice is between bad urban conditions and bad rural conditions. Bad urban conditions provide people with better economic opportunity…
Got point. I think the concept even applies to 1st world countries, where in cities like NYC lower income people will endure decrepit conditions for similar opportunities. There's also this notion that even if you're in poverty you can disguise it living in the city and bring part of it.
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