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Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by JSONwebtoken »

chj wrote: post #65
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

they say that you can solve poverty problem by eliminating poor population.

Why is this fellow being downvoted? I'm not seeing anybody else coming up with a better idea.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by rqs »

jamesoo8 wrote: post #63
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

I have to say, you know nothing about China. India is not comparable to China in every aspect. You just deduct from things happen in India, that is ridiculous. You said hutong is similar to slum, this showed your ignorance. Go to learn more, then talk about hutong again.

I assume you're an another Chinese.

If you are, I recommend you to provide more information in your comment before posting.

For example, why it's unfair to compare India with China? You need to provide a reasonable ... will ... reason.

Not everyone here knows what is it like to actually live in China, so it's fairly reasonable for people to be ignorance about it. Don't be offended or attack other people because of that.

For curious people, you may watch this guy's video (China vs. India by serpentza): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbGCHHT3F4&index=4&list=PLn...

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by IronKettle »

yulaow wrote: post #70
mcny wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A good start could be just to make remote all the jobs that can be made remote, but of course this would not cover a big part of jobs which need a whole team in the same location and specialized machinery (Eg the whole manufacturing sector) Marissa Mayer raised the question of in-office vs remote at Yahoo! and I am still not convinced either way. If we had a robust basic income, we should just let go of people who…

I think we all know that the Marissa Mayer "war" on remote jobs was just a PR move to facilitate a rapid mass layoff without negative moral repercussions on the rest of the Yahoo teams. We should not take her words as a serious reflection on the issue

I was at Yahoo from 2010-201X. It was really bad. Tons of remote employees you couldn't count on to give you the time of day, let alone do anything meaningful.

Was the problem remote jobs? No, probably not. The problem was complacency: Complacent employees who didn't want to work and used remote jobs as an excuse not to do anything. Complacent managers who didn't know how to manage remote employees and didn't want to learn.

Did we have remote employees who were amazing? Hell yeah. Did lazy employees overwhelmingly choose to become remote because it was the easiest way not to do any work? Hell yeah. There were more than a few stories (not from management, even) about employees who hadn't even logged in in a couple months. It was beyond the typical "bad employee gets no work done," it was just "bad employee doesn't work one iota."

My takeaway was that managing remote employees is a skill that many managers don't possess, and bad employees knew that and capitalized on it very effectively.

So you're correct that it was a move to facilitate a rapid mass layoff, but the part that's unsaid there is that the people being laid off were overwhelmingly the worst employees anyway. Their managers should've been given the boot as well.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by jamesoo8 »

rqs wrote: post #82
jamesoo8 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say, you know nothing about China. India is not comparable to China in every aspect. You just deduct from things happen in India, that is ridiculous. You said hutong is similar to slum, this showed your ignorance. Go to learn more, then talk about hutong again.

I assume you're an another Chinese. If you are, I recommend you to provide more information in your comment before posting. For example, why it's unfair to compare India with China? You need to provide a reasonable ... will ... reason. Not everyone here knows what is it like to actually live in China, so it's fairly reasonable for people to be ignorance about it. Don't be offended or attack other people because of th…

I assume you are a typical so-called westerner. I just expressed my own opinion here, and according to my knowledge and experience, his statement is definitely wrong. This is not an essay, I have no time to write too much. If you want to know more, you should explore it by yourself.

Serpentza? I watched most of his videos, and found he is just a hypocritical racist. You see, he never communicate with the locals, and just live in his own circles and make judgement based on his own kind of imagination. So I quit and never watched his videos again. I think People should explore the world by himself/herself.

For sure, you can keep your opinion, maybe seemed ignorant to me, but it has nothing to do with me. I just expressed my own opinion, that's it.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

JSONwebtoken wrote: post #81
chj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they say that you can solve poverty problem by eliminating poor population.

Why is this fellow being downvoted? I'm not seeing anybody else coming up with a better idea.

Cool, I got one no one else has thought of before: the poor can fix their money problems by making more money.

Ok, so that was sarcastic. Overly simple non-solutions are not going to move the discussion forward.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by baybal2 »

4684499 wrote: post #39
est wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple. The rest 40M+ ppl in the city are "illegal immigrants". Which means no permanent residency, no health care, no education but only cheap labor.

Excuse me, but where does the number 40M+ come from?

Greater Beijing region may be?

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by arkades »

codeisawesome wrote: post #60
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

Is there evidence that capping residents “cures” cities of Slums?

It would seem that if the various other laws on migrant labor aren’t enforced effectively, this isn’t likely to be either.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by baybal2 »

peteretep wrote: post #47
ksec wrote: post #27

Because they have learned their lesson with Hong Kong when they cant really control property market and what problems it leads to.

What problems does it lead to in Hong Kong? I'd have thought Hong Kong is one of the most livable cities in China

PFFF, that's a joke. Even people who live in the most expensive developments in the island will say that even better dorm quarters in Shenzhen will beat HK's 'upmarket' developments

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by ttflee »

volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

Even if the migrant workers were exploited by local residents and employers, they were still better-off than they could gain in their rural home. I worked in Beijing for more than three years without registering any residential permit, renting a shabby apartment, which is built and owned by the locals, in the village to the north of the city area. Such apartments were cheap compared with the roaring rental and estate price, at the cost of insufficient space and fire fighting facilities. All those rental apartment could have been evacuated/demolished by now.

Yes, Beijing used to be cruel to migrant workers. Other cities in China used to be cruel, too. Being caught without a permit could lead to detention and forced labour until repatriated in early 2000s.

It is not even the fault of the Beijing local residents be to blame for the tragedy today. The cream of economy development was either intentionally or unintentionally hoarded in the metropolises while the second tiers cities never get the chance. People have to migrate and follow the money.

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