Post like that brings me back to earth every time I dream of running Linux only. I commend the work of everyone involved, people working for free on their spare time for the common benefit is great. But celebrating CS5 compatibility in late 2017… it's sobering.
2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
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Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I heard of this "Windows 10" indeed but does it run on Linux ?
Hyper-V can run a full-blown Linux kernel + OS with virtually no performance loss compared to native (on recent x86-64 hardware). There's also Windows Subsystem for Linux. You can get a full-blown OS like Ubuntu or SuSE that way. Well, that is, sans Linux kernel and sans X11.
> Hyper-V can run a full-blown Linux kernel + OS with virtually no performance loss compared to native
That's true only for CPU scheduling, or losing CPU performance. For I/O, that's not true.
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#33I still wonder why Wine exists at all given that Windows 10 is an excellent OS - definitely more secure than their counterparts, and completely free.
Free for personal use, enterprise licensed are pricey
130 EUR (Home, OEM) or 160 EUR (Pro, OEM) is not something I would consider "free" for personal use.
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do all of my electronics development work on Linux. In part also using nonfree software. This is not a matter of principle for me, but a matter of productivity and efficiency. - design circuit and PCB using EAGLE (nonfree – and BTW fuck that Autodesk subscription model). - perform circuit simulation using LTSpice. - compile firmware using a GCC toolchain – if using a MinGW port on Windows the linking times even for…
I bet you also use GIMP because you never understood how Photoshop is superior, right? sigh Open-source software is definitely inferior, why people keep ignoring this obvious fact?
What browser do you use?
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is better or worse should also include a cost/benefit analysis on the price of the product(s). That should include the cost of things like support, or the cost of in-house experts.
This is opening can of worms. When we factor in things like support, we have to consider not only cost, but also metrics like its quality and performance/price. If I had a dollar for every support ticket that got ignored for months or years... For community support, that can be fine, but when you are paying maintenance, that's unforgivable.
Aye, its a can of worms because of the complexity and subjectivity alone.
The other day saw a comment on HN on how to best get signal as a customer. IIRC was something like IM < e-mail < phone < real-life. Did you try phone as a follow-up?
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems like a very naive view to me. This attack on Wine is by extension an attack on Linux, or otherwise I don't understand it. Wine exists for convenience for Linux users to use Software that has not been made available on Linux. Some advantages of Linux: * Can choose from a variety of window managers to suit your needs, from windows-like (Chalet, Zorin), to developer focussed (eg i3) * Linux is free. Windows 1…
The "for free" offer was temporary, and has expired . That is what matters. It even worked on pirated versions. You could even upgrade say your Windows XP to a later version (pirated or not) and then upgrade to Windows 10, for free. You get a valid license that way. You paid 2-fold: one, you were an early adopter and therefore beta tester. Two, you paid with your privacy. The anti-spyware toolkits to remove the telem…
Win10 is still ridiculously easy to pirate, and the "assistive technology loophole" remains open. I don't think this is accidental, especially after all the underhanded tactics MS was using in an attempt to force everyone to upgrade. They probably figured monetising your personal data was worth far more than just selling Win10 licenses.
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#37I'm pretty happy with the way CS6 works with PlayOnLinux(Ubuntu 16.04, Wine 1.7.24-CS-0.9.1-DXHR). It's not perfect, but I have no problem getting the work done (mostly design). I wouldn't use it for drawing/painting though.
If you're interested in doing digital art on linux - I highly recommend checking out Krita. I've discovered it a year ago and was blown away, if you're an artist - it does everything you may need, and works extremely well.
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Slightly off topic - I'm also quite happy with using linux for the rest of my digital art needs:
- Kdenlive is an excellent video editor. Works extremely well, and is pure joy to use.
- Nuke and Houdini have native linux versions that work perfectly. I think Maya should work fine too, but I haven't tested that.
- Silo 2.5(most recent version) works flawlessly under wine, and is perfect for any 3d modeling.
- I don't develop games, but both Unreal and Unity work very well.
The point is, several years ago you couldn't realistically use linux for professional 2D/3D work, now you totally can.
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hyper-V can run a full-blown Linux kernel + OS with virtually no performance loss compared to native (on recent x86-64 hardware). There's also Windows Subsystem for Linux. You can get a full-blown OS like Ubuntu or SuSE that way. Well, that is, sans Linux kernel and sans X11.
> Hyper-V can run a full-blown Linux kernel + OS with virtually no performance loss compared to native That's true only for CPU scheduling, or losing CPU performance. For I/O, that's not true.
It’s also true for IO, networking, and since recently even for GPUs.
Intel’s VT-d & VT-c, AMD’s Vi.
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#39Post like that brings me back to earth every time I dream of running Linux only. I commend the work of everyone involved, people working for free on their spare time for the common benefit is great. But celebrating CS5 compatibility in late 2017… it's sobering.
To be fair, this is not for CS5 compatibility specifically (that was one of the more visible impacted apps), but multi-threaded applications that continuously poll for mouse state against a non-thread safe state-cache introduced in an earlier version.
Also wine is not linux, and photoshop is not a linux program. If you want to run Linux only, then alternatives like krita, gimp etc.. exist that work natively. While I admit they often don't line up with adobe's tools yet, Krita's come a long way from what I've been told, and for a good portion of basic photoshop tasks (rgb only for the most part) you can use gimp quite effectively.
As a non-graphic designer I use linux daily and love it. I only keep windows around for the few windows-only games I still play
Re: 2012 Wine bug "Drawing in Photoshop CS5 is almost impossible" now fixed
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is opening can of worms. When we factor in things like support, we have to consider not only cost, but also metrics like its quality and performance/price. If I had a dollar for every support ticket that got ignored for months or years... For community support, that can be fine, but when you are paying maintenance, that's unforgivable.
Aye, its a can of worms because of the complexity and subjectivity alone. The other day saw a comment on HN on how to best get signal as a customer. IIRC was something like IM < e-mail < phone < real-life. Did you try phone as a follow-up?
For one case, I even did a meeting at a conference, where I got promises that they will look into it... Nothing happened then.