https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lbz87h
Cheaper and more powerful, also you can replace parts as they break and mine Ethereum 24/7 when PC is not in use.
Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
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Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, this is a joke for $5,000. You should be able to pay $3,000 and get a proper modern day variant of a Mac Pro, which is where their current Mac Pro price point sits. Why would anyone pay more than $3,000 for this? A top of the line 27-inch Mac with VESA mount adapter currently costs $2,339.00. That's just shy of a $3,000 price point I would expect a proper Mac Pro, not an iMac Pro, to sit at.
Think about it for a moment: you get a decent computer with solid performance, with an incredible screen, a great software ecosystem (from both Unix and Mac) and a very nice OS to run everything. You can't build a Dell to match that, even if you rip Windows out and install Linux or a BSD.
Think about it for a moment: 5 years ago you could have gotten more for the same price, relative to the GPU and compute power at the time.
Of course you can't build a Dell to match that. The point is this is less of a computer for the longevity that the Mid 2012 Mac Pro originally priced at $2,499 provided. (Guess what, the Apple Thunderbolt Display then was also priced at only $999.) Why in the hell would I pay twice that, for a computer I can't use for twice the lifespan? There are _still_ people selling their Mid 2012 Mac Pros for a large fraction of the original price.
But, no you're right, it's totally acceptable that Apple's only VR-capable machine is $5,000 to produce VR content that no one on the Mac platform can use.
Genius.
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#43Thanks for all the relevant and usful comments so far, nice to see it’s not just a bunch of whiny anecdotes. /s
I also hear that it’s possible to spend over 100,000 on a car, 2,000 on bathroom fixtures and 5,000/sq ft on counter tops and the price in a lot of cases doesn’t justify the higher priced alternatives.
However I am quite relieved in this case to see consumers rise up and recommend their alternatives to a particular high priced product so that consumers that my want to purchase said product are swayed.
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not build a hackintosh? I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Easy upgrades (though you do have to wait a few days), handoff, continuity, thunderbolt all working 100%. The only downtime I've had is restarts due to security updates. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnJCf8
> I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Can you guarantee that ? Who is responsible if an upgrade doesn't work or bricks your machine ?
That's why you wait a few days. The hackintosh community is very active.
Also, at this point, the things that would brick you in the past are no longer applicable with a modern hackintosh.
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#45> the $4,999 'starter' model ships with an 8-core Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, 1TB of solid-state storage and a Radeon Vega Pro graphics chipset with 8GB of RAM
This include the 5k display right? Are the keyboard and mouse included as well?
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not build a hackintosh? I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Easy upgrades (though you do have to wait a few days), handoff, continuity, thunderbolt all working 100%. The only downtime I've had is restarts due to security updates. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnJCf8
I saw a dude with a ryzen hackintosh rig, it performed incredibly but... even among enthusiasts he mentioned 'This was not for the faint hearted. I don't recommend you actually do this- even though I got it to work with minimal quirks it took probably more than a month of my life". Obviously not all hackintosh's are not as bad as that (AMD being a completely unsupported platform in Apple-land) but the /risk/ of it is…
If you stick to "standard" parts there is little to no risk. There is so much information out there on which parts are compatible and which aren't.
The hardest obstacle for me was sourcing some parts because they weren't available here in Vietnam. I had to fly to Singapore for most of it. Ironically, it was cheaper to do that for the parts I could get here, so everything worked out in the end.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get it.. PC for studio and mac for field work.. that seems like a very counter intuitive setup. Whatever benefits he get from a mac laptop is no doubt eroded by using these two platforms together.
this is not the main point of his comment.
sure it is.. it's all under the sentiment of Macs not producing products with performance parity with PCs.. What's wrong with just using a high-end windows laptop for field? Is that gap in the laptop space that big that warrants dealing with two distinct platforms that do not work well together?
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#48Thanks for all the relevant and usful comments so far, nice to see it’s not just a bunch of whiny anecdotes. /s
Pot calling the kettle black.
Indeed. I’m just a bit fed up with all the low signal-to-noise ratio comments on stories about Apple and Google (not to mention Bitcoin, ugh), sorry about that.
The Pro looks like something I wouldn’t mind using, but there’s no way I could pretend that it’s enough value for the price given what I would do with it - VR or AI use cases not relevant for me.
It’ll be interesting to see if they sell, and what the ”real” Mac Pro will look like when the get arond to releasing it.
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#49> the $4,999 'starter' model ships with an 8-core Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, 1TB of solid-state storage and a Radeon Vega Pro graphics chipset with 8GB of RAM
not what I'd call a bargain for $5k. seems like more Apple tax than usual.
Apple is trolling to see how much they can really fetch. It's a back-to-the-80's kind of computer price, for the snoots.
It's going to end as well as last time they did that.
Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Can you guarantee that ? Who is responsible if an upgrade doesn't work or bricks your machine ?
Of course not. macOS has no DRM, but that could change at some point. Information on changes for updates come quickly, and it's pretty standard practice to clone your boot drive before major updates. In a worst-case scenario, you just stay on a version of macOS until it makes more sense to use that same hardware for a Windows/whatever OS change.
Not true IIRC. Several OS components are decrypted at runtime by “Don’t Steal Mac OS X.kext”. Not very effective, of course.