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Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by wolfgke »

dijit wrote: post #25
jawngee wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not build a hackintosh? I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Easy upgrades (though you do have to wait a few days), handoff, continuity, thunderbolt all working 100%. The only downtime I've had is restarts due to security updates. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnJCf8

I saw a dude with a ryzen hackintosh rig, it performed incredibly but... even among enthusiasts he mentioned 'This was not for the faint hearted. I don't recommend you actually do this- even though I got it to work with minimal quirks it took probably more than a month of my life". Obviously not all hackintosh's are not as bad as that (AMD being a completely unsupported platform in Apple-land) but the /risk/ of it is…

> Obviously not all hackintosh's are not as bad as that (AMD being a completely unsupported platform in Apple-land) but the /risk/ of it is a very large blocker for many people.

> I bought my first mac precisely to avoid these kinds of issues.

The lock-in to Apple products should also be considered as a large blocker.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by rbanffy »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #15
leetrout wrote: post #2

> ... it might hit the sweet spot for studios that need a powerful desktop they can easily carry to the set. That's an interesting idea. I loved my imac for portability while travelling to a "fixed location". I still have my iMac from 2011 with the box and foam it came in and with the carrying handle it makes it super easy to securely pack up and move. I was about to comment that this really is too litte, too late, f…

Yeah, this is a joke for $5,000. You should be able to pay $3,000 and get a proper modern day variant of a Mac Pro, which is where their current Mac Pro price point sits. Why would anyone pay more than $3,000 for this? A top of the line 27-inch Mac with VESA mount adapter currently costs $2,339.00. That's just shy of a $3,000 price point I would expect a proper Mac Pro, not an iMac Pro, to sit at.

Think about it for a moment: you get a decent computer with solid performance, with an incredible screen, a great software ecosystem (from both Unix and Mac) and a very nice OS to run everything.

You can't build a Dell to match that, even if you rip Windows out and install Linux or a BSD.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by stan_rogers »

leetrout wrote: post #7
leetrout wrote: post #2

> ... it might hit the sweet spot for studios that need a powerful desktop they can easily carry to the set. That's an interesting idea. I loved my imac for portability while travelling to a "fixed location". I still have my iMac from 2011 with the box and foam it came in and with the carrying handle it makes it super easy to securely pack up and move. I was about to comment that this really is too litte, too late, f…

Actually it just dawned on me- why didn't they try to make a "pro mini" instead with pci-ex slots and upgradable ram (and I know why- because the planned obsolescence) but that would be a better "middle ground" between a laptop and a pro machine. And better than an all-in-one if they make mini-itx form factor. I can use whatever monitor I want but i get to keep Apple blessed hardware (for whatever that's worth these…

The canonical use case here (and it's already a thing) is an iMac running Capture One and/or Phocus (for Hasselblad) and/or Lightroom (if the desired output is raw + xmp) for tethered commercial photography on set. There are rugged cases available for it. All you need is the iMac, a keyboard and (Wacom) tablet and cable for a rather complete DT (digital technician) setup.

You don't need a lot of processing power in the grand scheme of things, you just need something that the photographer, AD and client can use to make decisions without incurring the cost of a potential reshoot. The grunt work of post-processing is done elsewhere and elsewhen - that's much to costly to do on location - but you do need a "close enough" representation of final colour and contrast, along with focus checking, page overlays and that sort of thing.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by [deleted] »

leetrout wrote: post #14
seanalltogether wrote: post #10

My brother has been obsessed with Apple products for the past 20 years, he was the one who convinced my parents to get one in 1998. He's been a professional photographer since 2001 and has worked on different iterations of Mac Pro machines ever since. This Thanksgiving he finally gave in and asked me how to build a PC for his work studio. He just can't justify working on desktop Mac Pros anymore. He'll keep the mac l…

I've not had any of my friends full on switch yet. Only one friend doing 3D uses a mac- he works in broadcast and the whole department has the trashcan pros. Other friends in video / photo are still using mac laptops. I never saw any of them pull the trigger on the mac pros personally... Look how far the other display manufactures have came, too. I don't know if we have Apple to thank but there are some _really_ nice…

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Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by shams93 »

anilshanbhag wrote: post #17
leetrout wrote: post #2

> ... it might hit the sweet spot for studios that need a powerful desktop they can easily carry to the set. That's an interesting idea. I loved my imac for portability while travelling to a "fixed location". I still have my iMac from 2011 with the box and foam it came in and with the carrying handle it makes it super easy to securely pack up and move. I was about to comment that this really is too litte, too late, f…

I don't portability is the main point. If you work on a desktop all the time and want a Mac, you get an iMac. Price is high but its a small cost for a developer who will work on it for multiple years. Re: Price - when I saw the Iphone priced at $1k, I thought it was very expensive but they still sold like hot cakes.

If you're a developer you could build a smoking linux development box from a intel NUC for under $500.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

IBM wrote: post #6
amelius wrote: post #3

Too little too late, Apple. Your Pro users have already jumped ship.

Jumped ship where? If it's to Microsoft it's definitely not showing up in their numbers.

Likewise, the Surface Studio is a very iMacish device that is being complained about here.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by matthew-wegner »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #30
jawngee wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not build a hackintosh? I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Easy upgrades (though you do have to wait a few days), handoff, continuity, thunderbolt all working 100%. The only downtime I've had is restarts due to security updates. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnJCf8

> I've got a beast of a rig that has been flawless. Can you guarantee that ? Who is responsible if an upgrade doesn't work or bricks your machine ?

Of course not. macOS has no DRM, but that could change at some point.

Information on changes for updates come quickly, and it's pretty standard practice to clone your boot drive before major updates.

In a worst-case scenario, you just stay on a version of macOS until it makes more sense to use that same hardware for a Windows/whatever OS change.

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by rbanffy »

wlesieutre wrote: post #28
ryanmarsh wrote: post #18

People in industry keep commenting in threads like this how they’ve jumped ship to Windows because they have work to get done and need the power now. Other loyal Mac fans can’t belive this and downvote these comments or try to ask for specifics. I’m telling you it’s happening, even in indie shops (source: close friend runs a shop that does big name TV spots and commercials). Adobe Premier isn’t that different on Wind…

Coworker who does 3d and video content here has an old Mac Pro tower with an aftermarket GPU (remember when you could upgrade those?), his next computer will be Windows. Apple might have had an edge back in the day thanks to QuickTime, but Premier, After Effects, 3ds Max, Cinema 4D, all these things are basically equivalent across platforms. Except for the fact that on Windows they can run faster on cheaper hardware.

What happened to rendering farms?

When I did 3D (3D Studio DOS, long time ago) I had a couple beefy rendering slaves. My desktop was not even the fastest machine on the group - it just happened to have a better graphics card (a Matrox one IIRC).

If I had to do it now, I'd have an iMac on my desk (because the screen is so incredibly awesome) and a bunch of Dells (or custom built) boxes on a rack at the other end of a fat pipe).

Re: Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th

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Post by xedarius »

seanalltogether wrote: post #10

My brother has been obsessed with Apple products for the past 20 years, he was the one who convinced my parents to get one in 1998. He's been a professional photographer since 2001 and has worked on different iterations of Mac Pro machines ever since. This Thanksgiving he finally gave in and asked me how to build a PC for his work studio. He just can't justify working on desktop Mac Pros anymore. He'll keep the mac l…

I agree and have taken time to build a PC recently, after living in Mac world for 10 years.

The hardware you can get is quite amazing (this is what I built https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/b/6FXPxr). Everything works and it's rock solid, it's also very quiet (something a lot PC users aren't so concerned about).

Windows however I'm finding a lot harder to get on with. Windows 4K support is awful. So many broken and blurry dialogs and applications (including Microsoft ones). Retina, on the Mac, just works.

I missed the Windows 8 disaster, however it appears some of it has spilt over Windows 10.

Seems you can't have the hardware you want and the OS you want, you have to pick one or the other.

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