Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal of this: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...
Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal of this: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...
Thanks for that! I really didn't know they had a response to these claims. However it's not hard to see this can just be a PR shield anyway.
An accusation has been made, they've refuted the claims with a response, response is dismissed as a PR shield.
What are they going to do?
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal of this: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...
Thanks for that! I really didn't know they had a response to these claims. However it's not hard to see this can just be a PR shield anyway.
Heck, even if somehow radware (the BGP-based DDoS proxy they use) had access to protonmails private key or had minted their own SSL cert for protonmail, you'd still be protected by PGP.
For outgoing mail, they don't use radware so even if you were to send plaintext emails to a mailserver that doesn't support SSL encryption, radware still wouldn't be able to read that.
Unless the linked statement is just a lie, their DDoS protection service is not able to MitM them. Your proposed scheme seems a lot more convoluted than protonmail just giving access to the Israeli government. Similarly, it seems a lot more conspicuous.
If you don't want to use them because it indirectly supports an Israeli company, that makes sense, but their DDoS prevention scheme as outlined does not harm privacy in any way.
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
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Exactly this, complaining that a site banned you for breaking ToS is kinda stupid.
What the parent post was saying is that anyone can print out a piece of paper with your mail address on it, complain on twitter, and ProtonMail's feeling-based policy will have you banned.
Do you have other examples than the obvious white-pride hate-group?
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#45Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.
* https://posteo.de/en * https://mailbox.org posteo implements multiple encryption schemes: encrypt incoming mails with GPG (making them inaccessible by any end device not having the corresponding secret key). Or encrypt via the login passphrase with transparent decryption on authorized access.
If posteo wants, they can read all incoming email. Their security scheme depends solely on their good intentions. Still great that their data at rest is encrypted in a way even they cannot read.
The scheme does defend against third parties outside of posteo being able to access data, or coerce posteo to decrypt data. Posteo could probably still be coerced to push out a fraudulent client update that still breaks their encrpytion, but that is a very hard problem to deal with.
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#46Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#47[2016]. Having worked at Google’s Search Quality Evaluation team, I can confirm that Google would only manually remove sites from its search results if they violate its webmaster guidelines: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en Of course, there can be other issues preventing a site from showing up in the search results (e.g. site migration issues, accidentally locking out Googlebot in robots.txt,…
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#48[2016]. Having worked at Google’s Search Quality Evaluation team, I can confirm that Google would only manually remove sites from its search results if they violate its webmaster guidelines: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en Of course, there can be other issues preventing a site from showing up in the search results (e.g. site migration issues, accidentally locking out Googlebot in robots.txt,…
So Google's recommended way of reporting a problem is to post on a forum that Google themselves don't officially read (or promise any kind of response)? Do you understand why some people might not think that's a satisfactory solution?
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#49Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.
Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. HN-Guidelines tell us to: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It wouldn't take anything away from your response just leaving that question out. BTT: Why is this even an article on here anyway when the situation has been dealt with one year ago? The title should already mention that it's from 2016.
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