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Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by woof »

Jerry2 wrote: post #22

ProtonMail is not safe. To delete someone's ProtonMail account, just print their email onto some posters, put it up in some public place, take a picture of it and tweet it to ProtonMail. And just like that, the email of your target will be probably deleted. https://i.imgur.com/d9K9Wdm.png This is not a service you want to use for anything important. If you have some enemies, they can use this method to ban you.

"Not safe" and YWNRU?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/marine-kicked-out-corps...

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by wallace_f »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #27
Jerry2 wrote: post #22

ProtonMail is not safe. To delete someone's ProtonMail account, just print their email onto some posters, put it up in some public place, take a picture of it and tweet it to ProtonMail. And just like that, the email of your target will be probably deleted. https://i.imgur.com/d9K9Wdm.png This is not a service you want to use for anything important. If you have some enemies, they can use this method to ban you.

Are we complaining that you can't put up a poster explicitly designed to incite violence against anti-fascists with a ProtonMail email address? I'd imagine they might also disable your account if you use swastikas as your logo, is that "awful censorship"? If you wanna do that sort of stuff then roll your own ffs. Consider that they might have some form of legal liability.

I thought the complaint was that someone else could put up a poster of your email address with a swastila next to it, and you'd get banned for it.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by flipp3r »

mindondrugs wrote: post #30
Quarrelsome wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we complaining that you can't put up a poster explicitly designed to incite violence against anti-fascists with a ProtonMail email address? I'd imagine they might also disable your account if you use swastikas as your logo, is that "awful censorship"? If you wanna do that sort of stuff then roll your own ffs. Consider that they might have some form of legal liability.

Exactly this, complaining that a site banned you for breaking ToS is kinda stupid.

What the parent post was saying is that anyone can print out a piece of paper with your mail address on it, complain on twitter, and ProtonMail's feeling-based policy will have you banned.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#35

Post by PhasmaFelis »

Jerry2 wrote: post #22

ProtonMail is not safe. To delete someone's ProtonMail account, just print their email onto some posters, put it up in some public place, take a picture of it and tweet it to ProtonMail. And just like that, the email of your target will be probably deleted. https://i.imgur.com/d9K9Wdm.png This is not a service you want to use for anything important. If you have some enemies, they can use this method to ban you.

The email address in question was an unequivocal white-power slogan (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/10/when-white-na...) on a poster that called for white-power violence and repeated the same slogan. ProtonMail was quite specific about all of those things together being the cause of the ban.

Unless you're a perfectly innocent citizen who happens to use BloodAndSoil@protonmail.com for completely non-Nazi-related reasons, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by ionised »

dvdkhlng wrote: post #15
awestroke wrote: post #9

Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.

* https://posteo.de/en * https://mailbox.org posteo implements multiple encryption schemes: encrypt incoming mails with GPG (making them inaccessible by any end device not having the corresponding secret key). Or encrypt via the login passphrase with transparent decryption on authorized access.

Another vote for Posteo.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

wallace_f wrote: post #33
Quarrelsome wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we complaining that you can't put up a poster explicitly designed to incite violence against anti-fascists with a ProtonMail email address? I'd imagine they might also disable your account if you use swastikas as your logo, is that "awful censorship"? If you wanna do that sort of stuff then roll your own ffs. Consider that they might have some form of legal liability.

I thought the complaint was that someone else could put up a poster of your email address with a swastila next to it, and you'd get banned for it.

Please see my other post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15814530

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

Jerry2 wrote: post #22

ProtonMail is not safe. To delete someone's ProtonMail account, just print their email onto some posters, put it up in some public place, take a picture of it and tweet it to ProtonMail. And just like that, the email of your target will be probably deleted. https://i.imgur.com/d9K9Wdm.png This is not a service you want to use for anything important. If you have some enemies, they can use this method to ban you.

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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

staticelf wrote: post #23
awestroke wrote: post #9

Anyone know a good alternative to ProtonMail with no ties to the Israeli Military? Preferably European.

How is protonmail tied to the Israeli Military?

It isn't. https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by xg15 »

Jerry2 wrote: post #22

ProtonMail is not safe. To delete someone's ProtonMail account, just print their email onto some posters, put it up in some public place, take a picture of it and tweet it to ProtonMail. And just like that, the email of your target will be probably deleted. https://i.imgur.com/d9K9Wdm.png This is not a service you want to use for anything important. If you have some enemies, they can use this method to ban you.

Their mistake was obviously that they openly justified the ban with human judgement and gave insight into their evidence used for the ban.

They should have simply said "our algorithms determined the likelihood of this account being used to incite violence sufficiently high" and everything had been fine...

/s

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