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I browse voat because I want to see what conservative/trump supporters think and I came upon this thread here: https://voat.co/v/technology/2253983 I was wondering if you guys could address these guys concerns. We need everyone on the same side. We all want a free internet. Appreciate the help.
A+ concern trolling.
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There are arguments against net neutrality. Check out the NoNetNeutrality subreddit if you're curious [0]. The most convincing argument IMO is that it hurts people's internet access by sniffling innovation. It happened in India when Facebook tried to provide free "basic internet" access to poor rural Indians [1]. It was blocked on the ground of net neutrality since although it would provide access to very useful site…
That argument is really sound. In India. It doesn't really apply in developed countries where internet access is already present (or accessible to the majority).
I disagree. The argument isn't sound anywhere.
For an ISP to limit its users to a subset of the internet causes several problems:
1. It forces users to use one set of services. That means a user with Facebook-only internet has no hope of avoiding Facebook and its abhorrent data-collection.
2. It prevents competition. Google+ would be unable to compete, since it does not exist on Facebook internet.
3. It stifles free software. The vast majority of free software projects have little to no budget. If they must pay for competitive bandwidth, they face an uphill battle against proprietary products produced by wealthy corporations.
4. It favors centralized networking. If all of your users are constrained to a subset of the web, that likely means they cannot connect directly to each other. This totally rules out mesh networking, bittorrent, private voip, etc. On a non-neutral web, users will be constrained in their ability to run there own servers. This is already a problem with many ISPs disallowing public IP addresses.
Why are we still making appeals to corrupt politicians? We might not control the cables but we do control the content. Why don't we shut it down until we get what is right? Why not another SOPA blackout and this time it doesn't stop until net neutrality is safe?
https://i.imgur.com/DhL4vKq.jpg Indonesia doesn't have net neutrality laws. That's the screenshot of Indosat (Internet Provider)'s app where you can buy data plan from. But as you can see, they sell data plans ala carte, per application in this case. If your favorite app is not there, you're shit out of luck and have to use the more expensive universal data plan. Not only that, last year, the biggest home internet pr…
Charging for access to a website like this should be considered a form of piracy. The only appropriate response is a full IP range block.
I browse voat because I want to see what conservative/trump supporters think and I came upon this thread here: https://voat.co/v/technology/2253983 I was wondering if you guys could address these guys concerns. We need everyone on the same side. We all want a free internet. Appreciate the help.
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Do you not fear that regulatory capture would leave us with the worst of both worlds?
We're in a state of regulatory right now and it is a worse world. It's not hypothetical
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Actually I've just stumbled across a very(!) active HN poster that seems to be against it on a popular micro blogging platform.. The common counter argument seems to be that "Regulation is bad for the open market" and that "Better options would come up if an ISP starts doing weird shit, if the market demands it". It's interesting to me that the very same people seem to be pro Freedom of Press/Freedom of Speech (as a…
> It's interesting to me that the very same people seem to be pro Freedom of Press/Freedom of Speech (as a German, the US Freedom of Speech is something I'm not used to, something that doesn't align with my culture/upbringing), but feel different about this subject because it involves a "market"? That's Libertarianism. Everything done by government is bad, everything done by businesses is good. Looking at the actual…
But it's kinda weird to see you use 'verboten' - probably to make this sound "really bad",in some sort of authoritarian way - in a reply to a post that contains the words "as a German". That seems inappropriate.
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Everything you talk about is contrary to the current reality, and it boggles the mind the mental gymnastics you are putting yourself through to get there. ISPs should be dumb pipes, the end.
so you think the government should be allowed to regulate it?
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Cue discussion of sockpuppetry as a service (not joking, this is a real issue), given the FCC website comment drama, I wouldn't be surprised if the ISPs and the FCC have hired a "persona management" company to forum slide.
I mean look at how foreign governments are using social media to influence elections across the world. Fake news to fake comments to spread one's agenda. Edit .. see this top story now on the homepage here about the New York states attorney investigating iNternet fakery https://medium.com/@AGSchneiderman/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc... I still do not see why there isnt the same uproar as there was previously that stoppe…
In the IC, operations against the US match the above as well. Everyone loves to rail on Russia, but they are peanuts compared to the collusion that is AIPAC... Now you didn't say the Russians, so correct me if I am misinterpreting.
My point is that operation mockingbird just changed names after the Church committee. WaPo is part of it, as are numerous others. Our own deep state (in the Peter Dale Scott sense of the term) is the most active in deception and manipulation of the American people, and it's high time they realized it.
I could go further, but it delves into "conspiracy theory" territory that most people don't like to hear.