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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by lvillani » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:33 PM UTC

AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #42

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

I'm having significant problems with High Sierra on MBPR 2013. WindowServer memory usage can get up to 5-8 GB before it starts to consume insane amounts of CPU and the system basically locks up and I need to reboot the system. Also simple application drawing starts to fail too, I've encountered visual errors like this https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Sep-2... in multiple applications, Xcode's co…

I have a late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro and I've been using High Sierra since the GM release and I haven't seen any of those problems. No visual artefacts in Xcode, either.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Overtonwindow » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:33 PM UTC

abritinthebay wrote: post #28

Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

Then you are missing years of security patches. Your call there but... seems like a risk

I do update the security updates. Some years ago apple decoupled those from the OS updates.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Overtonwindow » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:34 PM UTC

mring33621 wrote: post #76

abritinthebay wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you are missing years of security patches. Your call there but... seems like a risk

Which is better: vulnerable and usable or less vulnerable and less usable?

There's one element there that might be missing: Vigilance. Vulnerable, sure, but with great care it can be managed.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by curun1r » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:36 PM UTC

mbesto wrote: post #117

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

> Part of me misses the days when getting an OS X update was an event that required a trip to an Apple Store to pick up Part of me misses updates like Snow Leopard where the only reason I wanted it was because it saved 7GB of HD space and improved performance. I would 100% buy OS updates that all they did was optimize existing code.

Especially since this "OS" is so far from being just that. In the tour of new features, the first 3 were about editing/organizing photos, then there were a bunch for a browser I don't use followed up by some changes to a mail client that isn't webmail.

I'm sure High Sierra includes plenty of lower-level improvements too, but I fail to see why a photos app isn't an optional add on or distinct app from the app store, especially when the OS download is over 5 GB and done in the background without asking. Maybe I'm just a purist, but I'd like my OS to focus on system stuff rather than application stuff.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by ridgeguy » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:47 PM UTC

dreen wrote: post #9

Our IT dept just sent us an email NOT to upgrade if OS asks. Wonder if the holdout is the new filesystem or something else?

There is a problem with some third-party SSDs on certain Macs during High Sierra installation, apparently during conversion to APFS. [1] Maybe that's one concern?

[1] https://blog.macsales.com/42466-a-note-on-high-sierra-compat...

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by nether » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:47 PM UTC

Good. I'm glad I'm off the ancient HFS+ now, and the newest Safari is faster and better than Chrome. This is long overdue, and while the transition has had hiccups, the longer we wait the more painful it will be.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:52 PM UTC

0xffff2 wrote: post #93

krisdol wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 6s and regret upgrading to 11. Slow and unstable. Frankly I don’t do enough sketchy crap on the phone to care about security updates as much as I’m supposed to.

It always amazes me how subjective adjectives like "slow" and "unstable" are when referring to software. I too have a 6s (plus), and iOS 11 has been just as fast and stable as iOS 10 in my experience. This kind of disparity makes a lot of sense in the PC world, where everyone has slightly different hardware. I can't quite figure out why it's still common on a platform where there is relatively no hardware variation.

I keep screenshots of battery use in iOS. I went from 10.3.3 to iOS 11 when it was available. Gave it the obligatory 3 days to "stabilize" and was amazed at how crappy it was. Given my usage I was seeing about 4.5 hours Usage at the 50% mark on 10.3.3. On iOS 11 it was down to 3.25 hours. I tried all the Public betas up to 11.2B1. I DFU'd. I set up as new. I ran without my usual assortment of apps and just used the stock ones. I jumped through every single hoop I could and iOS 11 was just a downgrade for me.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:55 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #85

jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

If you keep enough media on your phone so that free space < space required for iOS update, it won't be able to download the update or nag you about it. If it has already downloaded an update, delete it manually, then copy more media to your device.

But that would be detrimental to the performance of an SSD, no?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 6:56 PM UTC

manyxcxi wrote: post #69

throwanem wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their APs are very good as well. Blazing fast, quick to set up, easy to manage, and they come out of the box with absolutely everything you need for any kind of mounting or installation.

After getting so frustrated with really expensive consumer WiFi routers I finally decided to give Ubiquiti a try. I purchased an Edge Router Lite and a dual channel AC Pro access point for about the cost of a nice consumer model. It took all of 10 minutes to get everything plugged in and configured and every WiFi issue I had in my house disappeared. I was immediately pissed at myself, why the heck did I resist the ju…

Yeah, I'm seriously considering replacing my pfSense router and repurposing the hardware as a Plex client.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by charcoal23 » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 7:01 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

I'd agree with your perceived trend. Ubuntu has the right idea with the LTS releases. Microsoft had the right idea with the LTSB, but ruined it by making it limited to enterprise customers.

I hope Apple and Microsoft will start to realize many of their customers see the OS as the layer for getting things done, and not as an end to itself. Annual, or semi-annual, feature updates are not fun, waste time with a slow install, and the features are frequently unwanted. And with the lack of QA in both companies, each major update brings a whole host of new bugs.