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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by throwanem »

manyxcxi wrote: post #12
Waterluvian wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not upset with any one device because I'm sure they all have an option to disable auto download. But there is now so much auto downloading that goes on in my house (I can think of 15 devices top of my head) that my wifi often can't reliably stream Twitch or YouTube. I think I'm at the point in the tech story of my home that I would love a UI that shows total and per-device usage history. With knobs to throttle ea…

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit. Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

Their APs are very good as well. Blazing fast, quick to set up, easy to manage, and they come out of the box with absolutely everything you need for any kind of mounting or installation.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by sarreph »

donatj wrote: post #27
sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

Out of curiosity where does one find such a driver?

Check this thread, talking about how it has been a huge headache for Electron apps. https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/10736#issuecomme...

The driver I am on is this one but it looks like (as per above thread) there could be updates. http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/126538/en-...

Disclaimer: Check your device is compatible before trying to install any drivers from the above links :D

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by brazzledazzle »

dreen wrote: post #9

Our IT dept just sent us an email NOT to upgrade if OS asks. Wonder if the holdout is the new filesystem or something else?

Some of your Enterprise apps (like antivirus) might have compatibility issues or straight up don't have an update available. Even these days it seems like these Enterprise developers don't start development on updates until after the major macOS update has been released to the public.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by calimac »

ikeboy wrote: post #33
jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

Funny, my 5S still insists that the latest version is 10.3.3 when I check for updates.

5s? You peasant! Off with your head for speaking in this forum.

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Post by userbinator »

collectively wrote: post #32
laurent123456 wrote: post #24

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This has became the new normal it seems. Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work (or to start it in the middle of the night and not switch it back off). This is purely something that these companies do for their own good without any regard for the user. They probably think "What are you going to do about it? Install Ubuntu?"

Do for their own good? I see this as for the collective good, as most of the people hurt by unpatched software are NOT microsoft but people, small businesses, and the victims of the resulting botnets. Obviously if you know what this is you can turn it off.

The decision should ultimately be up to the user.

This sort of subtle authoritarianism in the name of "security" is quite frankly extremely disturbing, and the companies are using it to force what they want by bundling plenty of other highly disruptive and completely-non-security changes too. I could go into a more political direction here, but looking at some of the other changes that have happened to society in general lately, I'm not surprised at all. Disappointed, but not surprised.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by dictum »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

Anecdote time: I skipped Yosemite altogether (had a feeling it wasn't quite ready, and the discoveryd, wifi issues etc. had me vindicated), but El Capitan was really smooth (rose tinted glasses maybe, but I remember it beating my Snow Leopard experience) and Sierra has been great from point 0.

I can't say it's going to work for your Macbook, but if it has an SSD (or you can put one in it) I really recommend trying out 10.12.6. Revert to a backup if things go awry.

I'm really sensitive to graphics issues. You never know if it's a bug or your GPU is going out. I'm not touching HS for a while.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

tedmiston wrote: post #45
sago wrote: post #37

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They haven't. I moved house three weeks ago, and was using a short-term cellular internet connection to stay in touch with emails, update version control, etc. The automatic download blew through all my bandwidth, and I needed to top up. I was able to control other downloads, no ads no video, etc. But I had no clue what had used all my bandwidth until it was done.

This isn't really a problem with Apple's approach here as much as using a limited cellular data plan on macOS which opens a whole can of worms since you can't easily restrict which apps, especially daemons, have network access like you (mostly) can on iOS. You also can't really restrict whether loading a simple web article these days is a 5 KB download or a 5 MB download. The desktop web is just not mindful of bandwi…

https://www.tripmode.ch/

It's $8, but has saved me so many times from blowing through data quotas.

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Post by jl6 »

endemic wrote: post #56
Niten wrote: post #34

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You intend to use your phone for a year without installing any security updates? Some people like living dangerously, I guess. For the rest, it's a good thing iOS strongly encourages people to keep up to date.

What about folks who continue to use older hardware? This is a problem with the manufacturer, that doesn’t backport security fixes to older OS versions.

It’s a sign that we are still in the software dark ages when security is so poor that a continuous stream of patches is the only way to stay safe.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by manyxcxi »

throwanem wrote: post #61
manyxcxi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit. Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

Their APs are very good as well. Blazing fast, quick to set up, easy to manage, and they come out of the box with absolutely everything you need for any kind of mounting or installation.

After getting so frustrated with really expensive consumer WiFi routers I finally decided to give Ubiquiti a try. I purchased an Edge Router Lite and a dual channel AC Pro access point for about the cost of a nice consumer model.

It took all of 10 minutes to get everything plugged in and configured and every WiFi issue I had in my house disappeared. I was immediately pissed at myself, why the heck did I resist the jump for so long?

Bonus points for the APs being POE, makes it a lot easier to put them on the ceiling, and more bonus points because I have not reset my router in 18 months.

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Post by SyneRyder »

chris_wot wrote: post #20
frik wrote: post #18

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I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!? Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that. If you look at OS charts like on Steam,…

No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.

I often use my laptop with my mobile hotspot when I'm outside the house, and 5GB of data would cost me $50. Which is more than Apple used to charge to buy a MacOS X install DVD. Most months I only need $5 - $10 of mobile data.

(Side note: I had no idea you can still buy Snow Leopard DVDs from Apple! Costs $30.99 including shipping:)

https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-...

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