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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

Waterluvian wrote: post #6
slobotron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complaint is more about unprompted 5.3GB download.

I'm not upset with any one device because I'm sure they all have an option to disable auto download. But there is now so much auto downloading that goes on in my house (I can think of 15 devices top of my head) that my wifi often can't reliably stream Twitch or YouTube. I think I'm at the point in the tech story of my home that I would love a UI that shows total and per-device usage history. With knobs to throttle ea…

Google wifi has this, you can only do it from the app though.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by AHTERIX5000 »

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

I'm having significant problems with High Sierra on MBPR 2013. WindowServer memory usage can get up to 5-8 GB before it starts to consume insane amounts of CPU and the system basically locks up and I need to reboot the system.

Also simple application drawing starts to fail too, I've encountered visual errors like this https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Sep-2... in multiple applications, Xcode's console/stdout window breaks often. Quite interesting features for a stable release indeed.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by calimac »

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

The long march of OS unification across apple ecosystem is underway.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by proactivesvcs »

nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

I beg to differ. Microsoft used underhand tactics to force Windows 10 on users, where at one point closing the upgrade prompt window by clicking the X at the top-right was taken as permission to install. The difference between Windows 8.1 and 10 was marked, particularly because when Windows 10 was first released it was extremely buggy, and the in-place installation broke swathes of drivers, programs and lost settings. (At least, this was my experience as the person called to fix such problems).

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by tedmiston »

sago wrote: post #37
jmull wrote: post #23

This seems reasonable to me. An automatic download that size can be an issue in certain circumstances, but why is this blogger just assuming Apple hasn’t done anything to address that? E.g., perhaps it doesn’t automatically download if you’re low on disk space. Perhaps they’ve even done something clever to determine when it might cost you download tolls and avoid it then too. I mean, if you use the internet much at a…

They haven't. I moved house three weeks ago, and was using a short-term cellular internet connection to stay in touch with emails, update version control, etc. The automatic download blew through all my bandwidth, and I needed to top up. I was able to control other downloads, no ads no video, etc. But I had no clue what had used all my bandwidth until it was done.

This isn't really a problem with Apple's approach here as much as using a limited cellular data plan on macOS which opens a whole can of worms since you can't easily restrict which apps, especially daemons, have network access like you (mostly) can on iOS. You also can't really restrict whether loading a simple web article these days is a 5 KB download or a 5 MB download. The desktop web is just not mindful of bandwidth costs today since most cable connections have been unlimited historically. Hopefully this is a change we see a similar simple control over in the future.

You might try something like Little Snitch if you really want to lockdown network traffic not initiated by yourself, however, there are also just so many background system services trying to use network that this can be a bit time-consuming to setup.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by bitL »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

The same, my rMBP still runs Mavericks and still looks beautiful (unlike the OK look of post-Mavericks OS X). My hackintoshes run El Captain/Sierra though and iOS is up to date.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by floatingatoll »

sidcool wrote: post #19

Since I updated to High Sierra, my Java plugins in Safari have stopped working. Now those are required for VPN connection. Apple support says to re-install macOS, but I am not convinced. Also there are some weird bugs popping up. What really rocks is the copy/paste. It's blazing fast.

Generally it’s completely safe to just reinstall OS X on top of itself, as long as you have backups. I’ve had to do it a few times over the years and without exception it has booted up correctly afterwards. But if you do power user things (custom kernel extensions, disable system protect, etc.) then of course you’re at a higher risk.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by eklavya »

AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #42
sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

I'm having significant problems with High Sierra on MBPR 2013. WindowServer memory usage can get up to 5-8 GB before it starts to consume insane amounts of CPU and the system basically locks up and I need to reboot the system. Also simple application drawing starts to fail too, I've encountered visual errors like this https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Sep-2... in multiple applications, Xcode's co…

This bug frustrated the hell out of me and was fortunately fixed in 10.13.1 update. There are a couple more window manager related bugs (I think), it crashes and logs me out frequently while watching videos in VLC.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by bluedino »

wereHamster wrote: post #26
alfonsodev wrote: post #7

The entry model of MacBook Pro comes with just 250GB, I personally struggle to keep 30GB free (I need to have Android SDK and iOS SDK installed) When having less than 20GB the OS gets slow, so I usually run DaisyDisk to find what can I delete, I didn't like to find the high sierra installer there. On the side note, I didn't update to High Sierra because it seems that there are issues with XCode 9 (slow simulator) so…

The mistake here is to use an entry-level model for development ;)

My Xcode install alone is 75GB

Apple still sells a machine with a 128GB drive

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

wereHamster wrote: post #26
alfonsodev wrote: post #7

The entry model of MacBook Pro comes with just 250GB, I personally struggle to keep 30GB free (I need to have Android SDK and iOS SDK installed) When having less than 20GB the OS gets slow, so I usually run DaisyDisk to find what can I delete, I didn't like to find the high sierra installer there. On the side note, I didn't update to High Sierra because it seems that there are issues with XCode 9 (slow simulator) so…

The mistake here is to use an entry-level model for development ;)

Even though you were downvoted, this is a valid observation. You don't need 250GB of space to watch youtube / netflix or surf social networks or send emails or use iMessage or any of the basic tasks that most people use computers for. The large size of Xcode definitely helps them sell more of the high-end MBPs
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