Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

Post by galad87 » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 4:23 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #20

frik wrote: post #18

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I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!? Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that. If you look at OS charts like on Steam,…

No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.

Post by sago » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 4:25 PM UTC

tedmiston wrote: post #45

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They haven't. I moved house three weeks ago, and was using a short-term cellular internet connection to stay in touch with emails, update version control, etc. The automatic download blew through all my bandwidth, and I needed to top up. I was able to control other downloads, no ads no video, etc. But I had no clue what had used all my bandwidth until it was done.

This isn't really a problem with Apple's approach here as much as using a limited cellular data plan on macOS which opens a whole can of worms since you can't easily restrict which apps, especially daemons, have network access like you (mostly) can on iOS. You also can't really restrict whether loading a simple web article these days is a 5 KB download or a 5 MB download. The desktop web is just not mindful of bandwi…

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 4:26 PM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #68

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What about folks who continue to use older hardware? This is a problem with the manufacturer, that doesn’t backport security fixes to older OS versions.

It’s a sign that we are still in the software dark ages when security is so poor that a continuous stream of patches is the only way to stay safe.

Post by thunfischbrot » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 4:28 PM UTC

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You intend to use your phone for a year without installing any security updates? Some people like living dangerously, I guess. For the rest, it's a good thing iOS strongly encourages people to keep up to date.

I have a 6s and regret upgrading to 11. Slow and unstable. Frankly I don’t do enough sketchy crap on the phone to care about security updates as much as I’m supposed to.

Post by MikusR » Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 4:28 PM UTC

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nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

I beg to differ. Microsoft used underhand tactics to force Windows 10 on users, where at one point closing the upgrade prompt window by clicking the X at the top-right was taken as permission to install. The difference between Windows 8.1 and 10 was marked, particularly because when Windows 10 was first released it was extremely buggy, and the in-place installation broke swathes of drivers, programs and lost settings…