Men at Work Wonder If They Overstepped with Women, Too

Post by atom-morgan » Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 3:45 AM UTC

debacle wrote: post #18

adriand wrote: post #10

I've been an owner of a company for years now and I've always followed a few simple rules with the women who work for our company: - I never, ever comment on their appearance, including new hairstyles, clothing, etc. - I refer to them as "women", never as "ladies" or "girls" or other nonsense. - No touching (hugs, etc.) with the exception of handshakes and high fives. - I don't engage in, or tolerate, any sexist, sex…

> - I never, ever comment on their appearance, including new hairstyles, clothing, etc. > - I refer to them as "women", never as "ladies" or "girls" or other nonsense. > If you have to overcompensate like Pence News flash, you're overcompensating as well.

Post by rhelmer » Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 3:46 AM UTC

ThomPete wrote: post #15

rhelmer wrote: post #8

I'm not sure why this is hard... why is any amount of flirting, or innuendo etc. at work OK? I do realize that people spend much of their time at work, and it's a place people meet. Personally, now that we have dating sites and such I would not risk my career by trying to initiate a relationship with someone I am working with... I'd rather avoid even just the mild awkwardness of someone being uncomfortable at me aski…

It's not that simple. This isn't just some trend which can be fixed with a little logic. This is something that is changing the discussion fundamentally turning men guilty by default. The metoo campaign IM basically allowed anything from actual abuse to catcalling be called sexual abuse. It expanded the definition of sexual abuse to basically align with only the most extreme feminists. Men are now by definition guilt…

Post by erikbye » Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 3:48 AM UTC

colanderman wrote: post #38

erikbye wrote: post #29

A woman at work constantly speaks in tones of sexual innuendo, when she comes over to someone asking for help or whatever, she leans over you and places her hand on your shoulder or thigh. As a man in today’s climate the double standard is painfully obvious. Follow her example and you’d be on your ass fast.

What double standard? If a female co-worker did that to me I'd bring it up with HR. And – I'm making the assumption that you are probably in tech and therefore probably in a male-dominated workplace – unlike a woman in your situation, you can almost certainly call out the individual in question with zero fear of consequences to your career. Without knowing specifics, my prejudice is that you are in no position to com…

Post by ThomPete » Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 3:48 AM UTC

xionon wrote: post #39

ThomPete wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple. This isn't just some trend which can be fixed with a little logic. This is something that is changing the discussion fundamentally turning men guilty by default. The metoo campaign IM basically allowed anything from actual abuse to catcalling be called sexual abuse. It expanded the definition of sexual abuse to basically align with only the most extreme feminists. Men are now by definition guilt…

> The metoo campaign IM basically allowed anything from actual abuse to catcalling be called sexual abuse. It expanded the definition of sexual abuse to basically align with only the most extreme feminists. Are you implying that catcalling someone, in or out of the workplace, should not be considered sexual abuse?

Post by hasenj » Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 3:49 AM UTC

debacle wrote: post #18

adriand wrote: post #10

I've been an owner of a company for years now and I've always followed a few simple rules with the women who work for our company: - I never, ever comment on their appearance, including new hairstyles, clothing, etc. - I refer to them as "women", never as "ladies" or "girls" or other nonsense. - No touching (hugs, etc.) with the exception of handshakes and high fives. - I don't engage in, or tolerate, any sexist, sex…

> - I never, ever comment on their appearance, including new hairstyles, clothing, etc. > - I refer to them as "women", never as "ladies" or "girls" or other nonsense. > If you have to overcompensate like Pence News flash, you're overcompensating as well.