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Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by susanrigetti »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #104
hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I avoid women in my professional life as much as I possible can. My work is in politics, and if I absolutely must work with a woman, I do all I can to make that interaction as open, transparent, documented, and inclusive with others as possible. You will never catch me alone in an office with a woman. I know colleagues who refuse to even interview or consider women for positions because they are afraid of anything th…

Yeahhhh, so refusing to interview or consider women for positions is very much against the law in the United States. Might not want to do that.

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Post by gozur88 »

sitkack wrote: post #109
gozur88 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feminists created the environment in which it becomes the smart thing to do.

> The feminists The people who think women should be equal ...

Sure. Just like the communists thought people should be equal.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by sitkack »

s73ver_ wrote: post #41
jkw wrote: post #8

Reply from Steve Jurvetson: "I am leaving DFJ to focus on personal matters, including taking legal action against those whose false statements have defamed me." https://twitter.com/dfjsteve/status/930170825625370624

Has anyone kept track of how often someone says something along those lines, and how often the suit is actually filed?

Lol, the "defaming" has caused them to quite their own business. Let me write a quick Prolog program to figure this one out.

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Post by ceejayoz »

tankenmate wrote: post #16
MsMowz wrote: post #13

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>Yet in today’s environment, even if he ultimately proves himself to be innocent through the lawsuit he claims he is going to file against his accuser, a career death sentence has already been carried out by a virtual lynch mob. That is wrong. Has this ever actually happened?

Sometimes it isn't just career death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sargeant

I've read that article twice and nowhere does it indicate he was cleared of the accusations.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by allenz »

chaostheory wrote: post #49
api wrote: post #47

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Agreed until you got to the Marx and Mao part, which is a bit "WUT?"

Why? Am I wrong? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution To be clear, you do realize that I'm criticizing both Marx and Mao right?

You're taking them out of context. Marx didn't want revolution for revolution's sake. He had a specific change to the social order in mind, namely the cause of socialism. He wouldn't approve of the US.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by FLUX-YOU »

downandout wrote: post #11

This may get downvotes, but the speed with which careers are being destroyed based on mere allegations of sexual misconduct these days is frightening. While the allegations in this case may or may not be true, it is actually possible for a woman to make a false allegation of sexual misconduct. There are myriad reasons that someone would make make such a false allegation against a powerful VC. Yet in today’s environme…

>This may get downvotes, but the speed with which careers are being destroyed based on mere allegations of sexual misconduct these days is frightening.

I think that traditional avenues have failed victims. This is especially true for Hollywood which has been abusing power long before the tech industry existed (see the exploitation of Judy Garland from the Wizard of Oz)[0].

If there are any false allegations (through evidence or admission), we will need to see how the media treats that. If they don't give it the same coverage as the accused are currently getting, then that's obviously a problem with the media and society. That would clearly be bias and possibly sexist.

If all of these allegations hold true, then the media has successfully done the job where law and society could not.

[0] https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/02/judy-garland-si...

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Post by abiox »

sitkack wrote: post #108
Frondo wrote: post #74

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When men openly discuss not meeting with women because of a fear of being falsely accused (which itself is exceedingly rare) of inappropriate behavior or molestation, what are women supposed to conclude? That they aren't being denied networking opportunities or opportunities to build working relationships? What is a positive take-away for women from powerful or monied men saying, in public, "I am afraid of meeting wi…

What if white bosses said the same things about black employees? People's unit tests are tots broke.

i suppose it depends on there being a similar circumstance. if accusations of interpersonal 'racial harassment' became more regular, you would probably see a shift in behavior with some people going out of their way to avoid 'risky' situations.

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Post by s17n »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #106
s17n wrote: post #101

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These guys are all pretty obviously guilty, so I don't see the need to worry. Just follow two simple rules and you'll be fine: 1. Don't sexually assault / harass anybody. 2. Maintain clear boundaries with anybody you have a position of power over - even if it seems completely consensual you just can't hook up or have a romantic relationship with them.

That's easier said than done. Sexual harassment is used as a weapon, but so is the accusation of harassment. I do not put it past women to fabricate these things to get their way. The danger is just too high because as a man, regardless of the accusation, or circumstances, we are guilty until proven innocent. It takes an enormous amount of evidence to clear a man from a wrongful accusation made by a woman. There's ju…

What's easier said than done exactly?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by sitkack »

downandout wrote: post #80
egwynn wrote: post #55

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I’m not convinced that "career death due to fraudulent sexual misconduct allegations” is a ramptant problem in tech. Based on nearly 100% of women I’ve ever known in tech, the vast majority of sexual misconduct either goes unreported or gets reported and ignored. Maybe you have some better data about this, though. If so, do share. And besides, I have a hard time imagining that a large VC firm would fire one of its fo…

If there were proof - emails, texts, etc - it would have been leaked to recode and other publications to avoid perceptions like mine. Public disclosures of these kinds of actions are meticulously calculated. Mr. Jurveston clearly disputes the allegations, to the point where he is promising litigation. The lack of evidence publicly presented likely means that it is a flimsy accusation - likely a “he said/she said” kin…

> to avoid perceptions like mine

They totally would have assuaged your fears by emailing you the evidence directly. Your sensitivities were on the top of their list, because God Man, THEY HAVE EMPATHY!

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Post by abiox »

gdulli wrote: post #92
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42

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I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

What's your insinuation about being alone with a woman being unsafe? That you don't trust yourself not to do something inappropriate or that you don't trust the woman not to make up a false accusation? When you go shopping do you take a chaperone so as to keep yourself out of a potentially unsafe shoplifting situation? We're all always adjacent to a potential crime or difficult situation. But we're not supposed to li…

> What's your insinuation about being alone with a woman being unsafe? That you don't trust yourself not to do something inappropriate or that you don't trust the woman not to make up a false accusation?

it's not an insinuation, it's risk mitigation.

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