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Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Reply from Steve Jurvetson: "I am leaving DFJ to focus on personal matters, including taking legal action against those whose false statements have defamed me." https://twitter.com/dfjsteve/status/930170825625370624

Has anyone kept track of how often someone says something along those lines, and how often the suit is actually filed?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself.

Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from.

Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another woman so she won't be alone. If that is not an option I will try to make it a bigger group with men and women. I never shut the door to my office when I am with a woman. If we need to have a private conversation, we do walking meetings around the block in public areas.

This may be shutting some women out of the intense bonding that some male colleges have, but I'm not interested in friendships with men from work either, so I don't think I'm being unfair to anyone.

I also don't stand too close to women. I don't ever comment on their physical appearance even if they got a great hair cut. And I don't need to hug anyone I work with ever.

Maybe this makes me a jerk. But I feel like it keeps the relationships I care about most (those with my family) safe.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#43

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Madness.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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This may get downvotes, but the speed with which careers are being destroyed based on mere allegations of sexual misconduct these days is frightening. While the allegations in this case may or may not be true, it is actually possible for a woman to make a false allegation of sexual misconduct. There are myriad reasons that someone would make make such a false allegation against a powerful VC. Yet in today’s environme…

None of this has actually proven to be the case though, with the only notable exception being the Duke lacrosse player fiasco. At best you can try to extort settlement money but when/if it goes to court, the alleged victim is always at a severe disadvantage.

In every case lately, we're well beyond a solo "he complimented me about my breasts at the Christmas party one year and it made me feel uncomfortable" and well into molestation, sexting with minors, drugging, public masturbation and beyond. Their claims are validated by the sheer number of claimants involved, scope of claims, number of repeat offenses, and even evidence gathered.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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post #40

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I think we then need to cut those people out. If you're not professional enough to be able to meet with anyone one-on-one, and not do anything, then you don't deserve a position in leadership.

> and not do anything,

His point was: "... and not fear to ever be accused of anything,"

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crux of the problem is how to set up a system where people feel comfortable coming forward without creating one that incentivizes false accusations. This is exacerbated by the externalities surrounding sexual misconduct: sometimes it's one word against another, sometimes the evidence isn't that strong, and many victims are so impacted by the misconduct/abuse that they may not want to relive the experience through…

This woman likely does not have enough money to compensate him for the actual damages that would be awarded at trial should he prevail, let alone any punitive damages. Lost potential earnings etc. would likely be in the billions in this case. For all intents and purposes, the lawsuit and any money he did recover would be meaningless except perhaps as a personal vindication. His career ended when she made the accusati…

That is an extremely simplified version of what happened. She did far, far more than just say, "He touched me." And those in the company felt the accusation credible enough to choose to no longer associate with him.

I'm sorry, but the "What about the men?" take is quite childish, and treats women like they have cooties or something.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#47

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Agreed until you got to the Marx and Mao part, which is a bit "WUT?"

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#48

This may get downvotes, but the speed with which careers are being destroyed based on mere allegations of sexual misconduct these days is frightening. While the allegations in this case may or may not be true, it is actually possible for a woman to make a false allegation of sexual misconduct. There are myriad reasons that someone would make make such a false allegation against a powerful VC. Yet in today’s environme…

I was thinking this too. I do believe there are a lot of victims of sexual abuse and sexual harassment. However, what concerns me is that their truths are being overshadowed by those who seek to use these accusations as a way to screw over somebody they didn't like or for attention or even for money. It is quite frightening and it could happen to anyone.

> However, what concerns me is that their truths are being overshadowed by those who seek to use these accusations as a way to screw over somebody they didn't like or for attention or even for money.

Like who?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#49
post #47

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Agreed until you got to the Marx and Mao part, which is a bit "WUT?"

Why? Am I wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

To be clear, you do realize that I'm criticizing both Marx and Mao right?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, if you have been on ycombinator for any length of time, you knew this would end up top reply, not downvoted. Secondly, will this is wrong, the main alternative seems to be years of unreported abuse. The men (and it is mostly men) have had years to take these kinds of accusations seriously, and work towards an environment where should accusations could be handled fairly. They have failed at that goal. Wh…

You’re wrong, the post is currently at -2 points and falling. My faith in the lynch mob mentality of today’s environment is well placed. Any hint that even one of these accusations may be false or overblown will be met with immediate negative reactions, despite the fact that little is publicly known about this case other than the consequences for Mr. Jurveston.

Because you're not presenting anything new. You're not providing any kind of evidence that the accusation might be false. You added nothing but a backhanded, "Women do bad things!" comment.
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