Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

recode.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 185 posts

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#61

Post by jstarfish »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42
hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

> Maybe this makes me a jerk. But I feel like it keeps the relationships I care about most (those with my family) safe.

Don't be so negative. They do the same things in Boy Scouts now for the same reasons. The net result is a safer environment for leadership and children alike.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#62

Post by shifter »

astura wrote: post #54
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

I don't understand why you think it makes you a jerk, most of what you said I'd simply include simply under "being professional."

A lot of feminists think this denies networking opportunities for women.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#63

Post by tetrep »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42
hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

Do you extend the same principles to homosexual men? Are homosexual women exempted?

I find it easier to not have to consider the sexual preferences of my coworkers when I'm interacting with them.

Edit: I should add, if someone is going to attack my character, they're going to do it regardless of what I do. I'm not going to go out of my way to prevent that.

Similar to using encryption everywhere you can: it makes the use of it non-suspicious. The last thing I want is for being alone with a coworker to be implicitly suspicious because the new norm is this sillyness.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#64

Post by jstarfish »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #52
pecanpie wrote: post #33

Long time reader, tentative poster, upvote or downvote as necessary… Back in the days of orkut.com, I do remember Jurvetson making what seemed to me like a huge effort to interact with pretty young women, especially from Estonia. I remember him having a few hundred friends on that service — more than most people there had — a list which included a very large population of pretty, young, single Estonian women. Keep in…

I'm torn on how useful this kind of comment (or gossip?) is. On the one hand: it's context. On the other: the witch hunt Has Begun™. God forbid I ever end up in a situation, and find people telling similar, about me. Even if completely true, this could still be irrelevant. How would I feel about my past self indulging in their consumption, as I am tempted to, right now? How do others feel about this? Edit: And: does…

Eh... if you're this indiscrete about your vices, you're indulging in them wrong.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#65

Post by pvg »

hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

Who is it that 'must' be having this 'legitimate' concern? Even in the poll and wikipedia page you cited, the primary driver for the concern is sexist beliefs of a religious nature, not some response to recent high-profile accusations of misconduct.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#66

Post by kelukelugames »

Danihan wrote: post #53
jacalata wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently not. Was that a serious question?

Yep, and the answer isn't apparent to me at all. I believe HR departments handle this sort of thing very well in the vast majority of cases.

What do you mean "believe?" At Uber, HR covered up bad behavior. At my last company the HR rep quit due to discrimination.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#67

Post by egwynn »

hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

    many others will make a fear-driven overreaction.
This. The actual risk involved here (job loss due to fraudulent accusations) must be so tiny as to be negligible.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#68

Post by chaostheory »

theha343432 wrote: post #59
chaostheory wrote: post #35

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Would you mind explaining this more? It's a interesting idea. What do you think causes this or allows it to happen? Did you think of this or is it taken from somewhere?

Yeah imo I could be wrong but this was the intent of America's forefathers.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." TJ

1. our country was created and formed by dissidents and rebels. Rebellion is really ingrained into our culture. If you look at our history in business, arts, and even technology; you can see that it is really pervassive and our non-obvious main competitive advantage

2. Democratic republics allow our society to have bloodless revolutions by voting out leaders we don't like. It happens so often that these bloodless revolutions become the norm and its effects go beyond just politicians

3. Obvious to some but not to everyone, since not everyone on HN lives in a democracy, but freedom of speech allows us to say and write whatever is on our minds - also giving us a Free Press, which makes bloodless rebellions more likely (and violent overthrows much less likely)

Combine the above ingredients and you get constant, non-destructive revolutions. Add a ubiquitous and currently open & free platform called the Internet and you get the current state of things.

When you think about it, it's a win / win for everyone, because even if you are one of the people getting overthrown; you're not going to get killed unlike in other countries

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#69

Post by gozur88 »

shifter wrote: post #62
astura wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you think it makes you a jerk, most of what you said I'd simply include simply under "being professional."

A lot of feminists think this denies networking opportunities for women.

The feminists created the environment in which it becomes the smart thing to do.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

#70

Post by kelukelugames »

astura wrote: post #54
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

I don't understand why you think it makes you a jerk, most of what you said I'd simply include simply under "being professional."

I don't understand why people hug their co workers. That sounds weird. But some of the things on the list are ridiculous.

I'm socially awkward and I still don't have problems having a closed door conversation with a member of the opposite sex. Are you just going to pass on interviewing women because that puts the two of you in a room?

Post reply on HN