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Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by shifter »

s73ver_ wrote: post #40
hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I think we then need to cut those people out. If you're not professional enough to be able to meet with anyone one-on-one, and not do anything, then you don't deserve a position in leadership.

Every action has a reaction. SJWs beware.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by nothrabannosir »

pecanpie wrote: post #33

Long time reader, tentative poster, upvote or downvote as necessary… Back in the days of orkut.com, I do remember Jurvetson making what seemed to me like a huge effort to interact with pretty young women, especially from Estonia. I remember him having a few hundred friends on that service — more than most people there had — a list which included a very large population of pretty, young, single Estonian women. Keep in…

I'm torn on how useful this kind of comment (or gossip?) is. On the one hand: it's context. On the other: the witch hunt Has Begun™.

God forbid I ever end up in a situation, and find people telling similar, about me. Even if completely true, this could still be irrelevant. How would I feel about my past self indulging in their consumption, as I am tempted to, right now?

How do others feel about this?

Edit: And: does it matter whether it turns out to be a false accusation, like he claims, or a real one? Because if it does (which I think it does), shouldn't we withhold these stories until the verdict is definite? But if it doesn't, then... surely, that can only mean that this comment is irrelevant?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by Danihan »

jacalata wrote: post #22
Danihan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is every company having a HR department not enough?

Apparently not. Was that a serious question?

Yep, and the answer isn't apparent to me at all.

I believe HR departments handle this sort of thing very well in the vast majority of cases.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by astura »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #42
hkmurakami wrote: post #27

Following these very visible and high profile falls from grace, in politics, media and entertainment, and high tech, there must be some legitimate concerns that in the near future the Billy Graham rule [1] (or lately called the Graham-Pence rule) will find more followers than before. Many men in power will instinctually and subconsciously cut out women from their professional lives more than before, to the detriment…

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But I've basically instituted a modified version of this rule for myself. Billy Graham and Mike Pence are definitely not a fountain a good ideas, but that doesn't mean this rule is that bad, despite the nonsense place it comes from. Whenever I need to have after work dinner/social communication with a female associate after 5:00pm, I just go out of my way to invite another…

I don't understand why you think it makes you a jerk, most of what you said I'd simply include simply under "being professional."

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by egwynn »

downandout wrote: post #11

This may get downvotes, but the speed with which careers are being destroyed based on mere allegations of sexual misconduct these days is frightening. While the allegations in this case may or may not be true, it is actually possible for a woman to make a false allegation of sexual misconduct. There are myriad reasons that someone would make make such a false allegation against a powerful VC. Yet in today’s environme…

I’m not convinced that "career death due to fraudulent sexual misconduct allegations” is a ramptant problem in tech. Based on nearly 100% of women I’ve ever known in tech, the vast majority of sexual misconduct either goes unreported or gets reported and ignored. Maybe you have some better data about this, though. If so, do share.

And besides, I have a hard time imagining that a large VC firm would fire one of its founders on a flimsy claim. He’s obviously extremely valuable to RFJ, so you’d expect they’d have done some basic cost-benefit analysis before getting rid of him. To me, firing him sounds more like “preemptive damage control” in the face of very credible claims than it seems like “overcautious PC policing”.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by s73ver_ »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #45
s73ver_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we then need to cut those people out. If you're not professional enough to be able to meet with anyone one-on-one, and not do anything, then you don't deserve a position in leadership.

> and not do anything, His point was: "... and not fear to ever be accused of anything,"

And if you're that afraid, you need to ask yourself why.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by shifter »

joebolte wrote: post #30
arintoker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking this too. I do believe there are a lot of victims of sexual abuse and sexual harassment. However, what concerns me is that their truths are being overshadowed by those who seek to use these accusations as a way to screw over somebody they didn't like or for attention or even for money. It is quite frightening and it could happen to anyone.

> their truths are being overshadowed by those who seek to use these accusations as a way to screw over somebody they didn't like or for attention or even for money. Wow. Given the well-supported allegations of sexual misconduct, published in reputable newspapers recently, yours is quite the claim. Who is doing this for attention? Do you have any evidence?

Jackie from the UVA story?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by snakeboy »

api wrote: post #47
chaostheory wrote: post #35

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Agreed until you got to the Marx and Mao part, which is a bit "WUT?"

They both wanted social revolution, but the execution of their plans lead to tens of millions of unnecessary deaths.

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by theha343432 »

chaostheory wrote: post #35

This is what I love about America: we have periodic, bloodless revolutions that can be initiated and carried out by anyone. The social order keeps changing without the chaos, destruction, and waste of violent upheavals or coups. Isn't this what both Marx and Mao have always wanted? What they both didn't realize was that you need a functioning democracy with freedom of speech (and the Internet) to achieve it.

Would you mind explaining this more? It's a interesting idea. What do you think causes this or allows it to happen? Did you think of this or is it taken from somewhere?

Re: Steve Jurvetson is out at his own VC firm after allegations of sexual harassment

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Post by shifter »

s73ver_ wrote: post #56
nothrabannosir wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and not do anything, His point was: "... and not fear to ever be accused of anything,"

And if you're that afraid, you need to ask yourself why.

There are some terrible people out there that will lie to get what they want (c.f. borderline personality disorder, sociopaths, etc.). They exist in large quantities in the business world.

I've been on the receiving end of false (non-harassment) accusations and it sucks. I now take precautions to prevent that from happening again and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that BPD or sociopath women would use false harassment accusations to achieve their means.

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