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Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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What is a homogeneous culture, Trebek.

Forgive me, but it seems that you're taking a common argument (X policy that works in Scandinavia won't work in the US because the US isn't homogeneous) and extending it to some sort of xenophobic dog-whistle (i.e. kids in the US can't roam because the US isn't homogeneous). Is there a more charitable way to interpret your comment?

The US is pretty homogeneously hostile to walking, so there's that...

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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> stores ... that also serve as community centers ... Historically, public markets have also provided a platform for important non-commercial informal civic interactions. The review section of e.g. Amazon doesn't seem to cut it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazaar

> The review section of e.g. Amazon doesn't seem to cut it. True, but neither does the strip mall surrounding a Best Buy parking lot.

Yes and no. When my family immigrated to US when I was a teenager, I was struck by the role played by the local 7/11 (!) and strip mall as the hang out place for the suburban kids. There was literaly no where else in the suburbs. So yes, not exactly an "agora" but better than nothing.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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Full disclosure: I am the co-founder and lead developer at https://www.locally.com . We do exactly what I describe below and we're seeing great results. People want to buy from their local stores. They just need the modern paths to purchase: BOPIS (buy online pick up in store), local delivery, and the knowledge oh what is in stock nearby. IMHO, the real path forward for retail is to get their in-stock goods in front…

> BOPIS

Isn't this similar to the last-ditch effort Blockbuster tried while in its death throes?

I remember them taking on Netflix with the idea that it sucked to wait for another movie in the mail, so just come into the store and pick up a new one!

Not surprisingly, it turned out people hate going to stores more than they hate waiting.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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I think the America that will result from this die-off is a better place. Less suburban sprawl. Less giant eyesore big-box stores that no one enjoys spending time in. More informed purchases because people buy stuff online where it's easier to compare reviews. But I think there will be significant, very painful collateral damage to people during this transition and I've very sympathetic to people hit by the job losse…

I don't think there are enough skilled jobs for everyone

There would be a lot more jobs if we readjusted the way we look at work. Lower full time to 30 hours a week, eliminate "free overtime" salaries, require vacation time, maternal/paternal leave, worker owned co-ops keeping their jobs from getting shipped away, start building publicly funded mental health/ drug rehab clinics everywhere. There are a lot of ways to create more jobs. The fact that the jobs don't exist now doesn't mean we can't make them, we just need to shift our priorities.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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I'm not a sociologist, but my feeling is that malls are just a last resort place for young people to socialize that is unstructured and free of charge. That is: there isn't really anywhere else to go be with your friends without paying for the privilege, that isn't organized by adults (like school sports or church groups for instance). When I was growing up, we had the mall and we had parking lots, and the latter was…

A recent video called “Why The Kids Need Stranger Things”[0] made exactly this point about the nostalgia of the Netflix series and how malls were a symbol of free-range kids[1]. Circumstances have changed so much that the creators assert Stranger Things could not be set in the present day. [0]: https://youtu.be/qHl-BQXYg3s [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-range_parenting

> ...Stranger Things could not be set in the present day.

Also, lots of plot points are ruined if people can just text each other, take photos, or record video as needed.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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Aeon mall in Nagoya, Japan[1] was my primary daily grocery and pharmacy for years. Aeon's format is pretty much the same as most suburban American malls, but they seem to run a tighter ship and do a better job of vertical integration. (I used to marvel at how insanely mirror-clean the floors were in a place where probably a few tens of thousands of people tread daily.) Prices for things like groceries are not the low…

I like how the whole website is different if you select English as your language.

Yes, likely because there are almost no English-speaking people in that area.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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Malls hold no interest for me whatsoever. There's nothing there worthwhile, other than employment. Malls have nothing: no libraries, no Good Cafes, no places to hang out, no parks, no museums, no zoos, limited live music, no outdoors. And the few things it does have: like some book stores and places to eat, are all engineered to get you in and out and back to the Mall's singular focus: Spend, spend, spend: shop till…

I'm not disagreeing completely, but your location might be influencing your answer. I live in the northern portion of the USA, we get freezing winters and blistering summers. Come mid-winter...I am not going downtown to walk around outside, we don't hang out outside (unless we are talking winter sports, and then FULLY clothed). In summer, there needs to be shade. Fall and spring, we get wet. But really, it seems like…

I think you could apply the same thing to an indoor area. Make it feel like a truly public place, with comfortable seating areas, buskers, pretty things to look at, more local products and less bland chains, and less pressure to buy stuff.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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post #197

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A recent video called “Why The Kids Need Stranger Things”[0] made exactly this point about the nostalgia of the Netflix series and how malls were a symbol of free-range kids[1]. Circumstances have changed so much that the creators assert Stranger Things could not be set in the present day. [0]: https://youtu.be/qHl-BQXYg3s [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-range_parenting

SPOILER WARNING: stranger things season 1 The reason why free range parenting has gone down so much can be seen in the series. There was a believable scene in which one kid bullied another into taking an almost certainly fatal jump into the quarry, and was only saved by paranormal means. A world in which more free-range parenting is the norm inherently implies a world in which kids more often pay the consequences of…

> There was a believable scene in which one kid bullied another into taking an almost certainly fatal jump into the quarry, and was only saved by paranormal means.

I watched it last night so it's fresh in my mind. It was paranormal events that setup this scene and made the bully go to such extremes to begin with.

It was also one of the worst, least believable scenes in the series. The fact that he was so willing to jump, the threats the bully was giving, etc. It was just weak writing in an attempt to create a dramatic reunion. When your 11 years old it takes some time to build up the courage to make a safe jump from something like a bridge, let alone a possible fatal jump.

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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I'm in eastern Canada and I agree with your weather statement. With 100km/h winds, -25C and 1m of snow it's not worth going out. I wish we had a subway system here and underground shops. Montreal and Toronto have huge indoor shopping areas connected by subway, I suppose technically they are malls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_City,_Montreal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(Toronto)

Similarly, and while I don't have links on hand, Japan (at least Osaka, Kyoto, and Tokyo) have major shopping centers right in major train stations. The train station itself seems to be a destination. There are gyms (generally Konami health clubs), food and shopping, and gardens on the rooftop.

In Osaka it seemed like every available square meter was converted to retail space. Shopping arcades, train station shops, underground causeways lined with shops, traditional malls. The back alleys have back alleys, and they're all lined with shops -- often specialty shops. I found one shop devoted to display cases for otaku to show off their model collection. Another shop specialized in LCD signs you could use in the storefront for your shop. It was NUTS.

And yeah, the first time I saw a Konami gym my mind boggled. Is this how Snake stays in such good shape? Use promo code Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start and get a 30-day free membership!

Re: America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning

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Full disclosure: I am the co-founder and lead developer at https://www.locally.com . We do exactly what I describe below and we're seeing great results. People want to buy from their local stores. They just need the modern paths to purchase: BOPIS (buy online pick up in store), local delivery, and the knowledge oh what is in stock nearby. IMHO, the real path forward for retail is to get their in-stock goods in front…

> People want to buy from their local stores. Why? I love my local baker, but for brand name items, I'm going to order online. > BOPIS (buy online pick up in store) Why is this attractive to anyone? If I am making the effort to fight traffic and parking to visit a physical location, I want to handle the item. "BOPIS" seems like the worst of all worlds to me. > knowledge of what is in stock nearby This is crucial. Thi…

> Why? I love my local baker, but for brand name items, I'm going to order online.

really? even for things like bikes, sporting goods, clothes, running shoes, ... I could go on. And the thing is: you'd still be ordering online, just not from amazon. if you order directly from brands and the brand can inform you that there is a local shop that has it within miles, why not get it there? why waste the resources of having to have it shipped (long distance) only to potentially have to ship it back?

> BOPIS

same day delivery beats BOPIS but it is a solid option when there is limited stock. you are putting on hold. best buy and home depot are killing with this right now.

> knowledge of what is in stock nearby

yep.

> delivery

agreed.

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