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Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by zeveb »

km3k wrote: post #49
werid wrote: post #43

... and almost all my extensions will cease to work. 16 legacy, 4 ready for 57. a few of them i use very often: automatic save folder, save file to, video downloadhelper, downthemall!, search by image for google, image zoom, copy links

You can switch to Firefox ESR to keep using your extensions and give the extension authors more time. ESR 52 will be supported with fixes until June. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/

> You can switch to Firefox ESR to keep using your extensions and give the extension authors more time.

The problem is that certain valuable extensions are impossible to update, because the new plugin API doesn't expose the necessary functionality. E.g. Keysnail, which will break because Mozilla won't expose the ability to override C-n.

Mozilla should have taken the time to release a fully-baked extension API before deleting the old API; then it really would have been on the extension authors. Between this and the utter destruction of Sync's security guarantees a few years back, the Cliqz keylogger fiasco & the Pocket fiasco, as well as the WebRTC fiasco (as well as the defenstration of Brendan Eich), I'm very disappointed in Mozilla these days.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by PapstJL4U »

BOBOTWINSTON wrote: post #104
gyaru wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scrolling the mousewheel while hovering the mouse over the tab bar to switch between tabs I guess?

I have always just used ctrl + pgup/pgdown in Chromium for tab switching (same in Sublime). I am guessing OP is referencing the fixed min-width of the tabs though? I know it is completely insane, but I have a strong compulsion to keep my tab count low. Once it starts approaching 7 or so, it is time to evaluated which 3 or 4 have to go. Meanwhile I go look at someone else's monitor and they have 25 open all the time,…

tab groups! that is the way to live. Grouping tabs based on theme keeps the bar clean and makes it easy for theme based workflow

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by rufugee »

dralley wrote: post #154
rufugee wrote: post #108

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You mean the security story is better in Firefox? Can you share some context/details?

Privacy != security. Chrome is probably more secure, but Firefox does a lot more to help block/prevent fingerprinting and tracking and to enable addons to do it further.

Yep. Misread that comment completely.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by mmastrac »

aembleton wrote: post #83
solnyshok wrote: post #63

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how did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs

1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Rest…

I've been running the side-bar version of tab center with this userChrome.css fix but the best I can say about it is that it's "alright". The window close/max/min buttons are just not positioned very well on macOS.

Also, if you hide the sidebar header I think you run the risk of accidentally opening the bookmarks sidebar and being unable to get back to your tabs.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by kibwen »

naasking wrote: post #121
toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

> I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. I don't want it. I don't like Firefox's approach, I much prefer the shrinking tabs paradigm.

Firefox tabs do shrink. Then, once they get to a width where shrinking any more would start negatively impacting the ability to use the UI, they start to scroll. Until you reach this point, the tab scrolling UI is hidden, so there's no concern for anyone who doesn't use tabs heavily.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by marksellers »

quesera wrote: post #115
marksellers wrote: post #102

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But I also need the horizontal space! I very often tile windows side by side to allow developing while seeing the results, or while reading documentation. Maybe I'm just picky. I don't know. Chrome does the job pretty well though, even with the bookmarks bar turned on. A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub.

> A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub. I use vertical tabs exclusively (for many, many years), and GitHub constantly. No problems whatsoever.

GitHub already deals with a window of half screenwidth poorly, as in requiring horizontal scrolling to see things. That's what I meant.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by marksellers »

cpeterso wrote: post #179
marksellers wrote: post #6

Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query +…

> When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. Do you have a non-default home page? I can reproduce the problem with Firefox 58 on Windows 10 in my regular user profile but not a brand new profile. My regular user profile had a non-default home page URL. I'm not sure what the focus behavior should be in that case. If you set your home page to a website, would yo…

Ah, well, the default that comes on the distro was the culprit there. Fixed now. Thanks!

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by bzbarsky »

agumonkey wrote: post #113
bzbarsky wrote: post #98

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> But at point it has perf issues that I don't have with chrome. Would you be willing to either file a bug report (and cc "bzbarsky") or just describe steps to reproduce here?

I'd be happy, but beside a context and a list of tabs I have no precise info to give. Would it still be useful ?

Possibly, yes. Even just some idea of which urls are involved and of which operations are being slow would be useful.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by jraph »

nachtigall wrote: post #133
justusthane wrote: post #95

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In Chrome, the more tabs you open, the smaller they get (infinitely). They all remain on the screen. Once they get tiny enough, you can no longer tell what any given tab is. In FF, after a certain point the tabs stop getting smaller, and instead you scroll through them left to right, either using little arrow buttons on each side of the tab bar, or using your scroll wheel.

ah, thanks. If you have that many tabs, one should use tab tree style anyway, i guess: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15652124

I used to have tab trees and they are amazing. The extension I used had some stability / slowness issues and I also like having nothing on the sides of the webpage.

I would still appreciate a tree view that shows when clicking a button when I need it, maybe something like the Netsurf History that shows when long clicking on its previous button (by the way, this next/previous tree feature of Netsurf is awesome, it would be great to have this as is in other browsers).

But I usually have many tabs and Firefox is usable without tree tabs.

I use CTRL+tab to cycle through most recently used tabs. If you enable the browser.ctrlTab.previews about:config setting, you get a nice alt+tab-like window.

The order of tabs in ctrl+tab is changed when using browser.ctrlTab.previews (from simple in order tab circle to circle through most recently used tabs, lastly used first). I have become dependent on this to the point that Chrome or Firefox without it feel like they get in my way when I browse.

I also from time to time used the list of tabs provided by the ctrl+tab previous window, but it seems to have just disappeared in a recent Firefox update?

Anyway, I find that the most efficient way to go to a not so recently-used tab is to just search for something in its title or its URL in the URL bar (CTRL+L) and use the "go to tab" feature (and I disable search engine suggestions in the URL bar). And if you closed the tab, the page will be proposed because it is in the history. Chrome's URL tab just feels useless in comparison.

The URL bar of Firefox and its CTRL+TAB tab preview feature / cycle order are two killer features for me. Losing them would be painful.

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