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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by anigbrowl »

komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

"the less globalization, the better."

This is definitely a thing, not only in the US but also from thinkers like Alexandr Dugin in Russia. I believe such reactionary political stances are ultimately doomed, though; we are simply not going to un-invent the internet, air travel, containerization and other things that have made the world smaller and allowed a single planetary scale logistical chain to exist, short of nuclear catastrophe or its equivalent.

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Post by neeleshs »

jorblumesea wrote: post #143
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

This narrative is frustrating because it's just not true. The vast majority of H1B visas are not bringing in that level of talent. The program is gamed by offshoring firms that take the lions share of the available visas. For every super smart foreign student we bring in we also bring in 3 really mediocre and talentless offshoring workers. I completely 100% agree that the US is losing its edge in many ways. And a rea…

This, I agree with. Immigration should not be stopped wholesale, but at least fixed by stopping the EB-1 games and a salary based criteria. Not foolproof , but certainly seems better than today's system

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Post by damnyou »

protomyth wrote: post #176
damnyou wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That rule only applies to H-1B dependent companies and wilful violators. It is not part of the "stated purpose" of the visa.

The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States. https://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm

This text is genuinely surprising to me. The only statutes that come close to meeting that goal are the ones that only apply to H-1B dependent employers and wilful violators.

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Post by vostok »

learc83 wrote: post #139
vostok wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant that they'll give you a visa if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount. I've now edited my comment.

Sorry, you said "so long as you pay over a certain amount", so I just took the comment at face value. >if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount. I don't know any developed countries with that system. Do you?

Yes I've received job offers in developed countries under such schemes.

There might have technically been other minimal requirements like knowing English or the local language, but most people who fulfill the pay requirements will fulfill the minor requirements too if applicable.

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Post by dmode »

I just wish now that the US government would kill the H1-B and all other immigrant visa and send us all home. I have spent 13 years here, I earn well over 200K, have a kid. But every 3 years, I have to renew my visa and pray and tell that there is no bullshit like RFE when visa is sent for renewal. And then the DMV drama begins as your DL expires, but your application is still not approved. When I came here, I had hope that the US government would make improvements to the immigrant system in good faith, considering all I heard from abroad was that this country is a "nation of immigrants". But it seems like the fancy thing to do these days is to blame every ill on immigrants.

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Post by rpowers »

damnyou wrote: post #40

Ah yes, gotta love H-1B threads. The latent nativism among the Hacker News crowd is laid bare. Here's a radical proposal: give anyone with a clean criminal record and a job offer a green card. No limits, no $100k minimum wage, no protectionism. If you, with all the advantages that natives get (networks, language, NETWORKS), can be beat by an immigrant with zero social connections, you probably are worth less than you…

Your proposal is a feel-good hurrah, but oversimplifies a few complex issues. No protections = Exploitation of workers. Instant green card = Increased competition for Housing/public services.

So unless you think that lowly-paid immigrants with limited access to social services is the best path forward, I'd advocate for some protections. I agree with no limits. If a company can provide for the workers, then go for it. Otherwise, the US barely has enough financial support/ safety net for the existing population. Opening the doors wide open would put stress on that already poor situation.

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Post by pfarnsworth »

xraystyle wrote: post #30
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

Training your replacements has happened since the dotcom bust. My friend was forced to train his Indian replacements when he worked at Nortel.

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Post by dmix »

giobox wrote: post #198
dmix wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still has to first pass the hundreds of eyes in congress, that's the primary challenge of any bill. Vetoing is relatively rare and I doubt he would veto an immigration bill coming from a republican-majority congress... That said, I never said he had zero influence, but having influence on a congressional bill is a far cry from implying he wrote and proposed it himself.

If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, I'm not sure what else to say! I think most people are capable of understanding that when we talk about "Trump" performing a legislative act, we almost never mean he literally picks up pen and paper and writes the bill himself, or even directly proposes it.

> If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda,

Again, I never said that, or that he writes it directly himself. This is why I don't debate politics on the internet.

My point is the bill is primarily a congressional matter, and is not at the whims of just the president the way an executive order would be, as was suggested above.

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Post by nonamechicken »

ng12 wrote: post #39
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> I just don't understand why we wouldn't want to make it as easy as possible to steal talent Because that's not what the H1-B is. The majority of H1-B holders are the IT body shops: Cognizant, Infosys, and Tata are the top 3 by a wide margin [1]. I agree with you in principle but I think the H1-B system is not a good implementation of those ideals. I have a hard time believing it does much more than depress the wage…

Infosys and TCS together received 7,504 approved H1B visas in 2014-15, which is only 8.8% of the total approved H1B visas, says Nasscom

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Info...

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Post by zeusk »

bischofs wrote: post #96
and0 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not at the highest point (compared to 1920s) but might be by 2023. We're a very young nation of immigrants, so I find it odd that you wouldn't retroactively apply the grievances about cultural shifts to all the generations that came previously.

That is a good point, however most of the immigrants in the 1920s were from europe. Now that is not the case, they are mostly from asia and southeast asia. There is an argument that there is enough of a cultural difference for it to affect the country one way or another.

The natives of US were pillaged by the European immigrants who arrived way prior to 1920s.

Ironical, given Thanksgiving is a few weeks from now.

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