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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by smsm42 »

Terr_ wrote: post #5

The particular anecdote in this article almost seems anti-convincing to me... It suggests a job that should get challenged: > For Centro, a company in Chicago that makes technology for ad agencies [...] applied for visas for three young employees who already had the legal right to work for a limited time after graduating from college. > To Clark's eyes, the position — which consisted of writing algorithms and require…

I like how the heading of the article already tells me what I am supposed to be thinking. No time for subtlety or convincing - just start with the hammer blow, "make life hell". And then don't bother with convincing arguments - you already know new regulations are "living hell", what else do you need?

And from what I get in the article - which is not very rich on details - the "living hell" is that the government occasionally asks for proof of what is supposed to be already proven in the visa app - that there's no possibility of hiring the same talent in the US - and which everybody who dealt with it knows is kind of sham and not how it actually works.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by lalwanivikas »

throwkgaj wrote: post #63
sumitgt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like that. Most top companies do detailed paperwork. This causes other side effects and stress. For example, you could be working at Google / Facebook earning top $$$$ every year and you paperwork could be spotless. But the stress of having to go through an uncertain renewal process every 3 years prevents you from investing in big things like buying a house or having kids. You are always worried about being…

This was me. Working at big tech firm, $190+ salary, 6 years. Green card applied and approved in 2014. But Indians have to wait at least 5years for a green card(EB-2). And this was before the current admin. I’m now in Canada. Permanent Resident (took 8 months), $180k+ salary, big tech company. Going to buy a house in the summer.

Super happy for you man :-)

Same big tech company or other?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by ng12 »

enra wrote: post #77
ng12 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don't understand why we wouldn't want to make it as easy as possible to steal talent Because that's not what the H1-B is. The majority of H1-B holders are the IT body shops: Cognizant, Infosys, and Tata are the top 3 by a wide margin [1]. I agree with you in principle but I think the H1-B system is not a good implementation of those ideals. I have a hard time believing it does much more than depress the wage…

Seems the numbers in the graph and article don't are not easy to match up. In the graph, the sum seems to be over 100k for those top 20 companies, while the article states that 40-80k visas were granted. I do agree that I think those outsourcing talent shop should be limited. You shouldn't have majority of your workforce on h1b. As a counter point I don't think Google, Apple, Microsoft etc are not out of line. Also m…

My point is that the system as it currently stands is depressing white collar wages. There are better systems we can adopt to hire entrepreneurially-minded folks or developers who are particularly skilled from other countries.

Trump is not gutting the H1-B system (currently). All they did was start asking companies to prove that the H1-B was going to an applicant who actually meets the requirements of the visa. If companies are worried about the change that's pretty clear evidence the program is being abused.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by horsecaptin »

komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

Not too long ago, "the less globalization, the better" was the liberal point of view.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by bischofs »

and0 wrote: post #84
bischofs wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devils advocate, at this point in time with the highest rate of immigration in the history of the country (i think 13%) "conservatives" are looking out for the american citizens that are losing out to these high skilled (and low skilled) immigrants. Why is it that we cannot compete with foreign companies with native workers? Why should those countries be okay with losing their top talent? Shoudnt we solve the…

We're not at the highest point (compared to 1920s) but might be by 2023. We're a very young nation of immigrants, so I find it odd that you wouldn't retroactively apply the grievances about cultural shifts to all the generations that came previously.

That is a good point, however most of the immigrants in the 1920s were from europe. Now that is not the case, they are mostly from asia and southeast asia.

There is an argument that there is enough of a cultural difference for it to affect the country one way or another.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by Mikeb85 »

xraystyle wrote: post #30
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

That's the ideal use case. The real use case is to get foreign workers to do jobs for a lower wage than Americans are being paid.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by and0 »

leakybit wrote: post #62
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

"the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education" I wouldn't say that for college level education. Why is then the US the top study abroad destination in the world?

I can't research this at the moment but a couple obvious explanations:

- The USA is massive compared to every first-world nation (in the West) in terms of size / population / schools. I'd be shocked if a place like Sweden were somehow the top, statistically.

- I know a few people who came from India to study here because it put them on a fast track for a visa (or whatever they're using to work here after graduating). So they based it on post-grad opportunities, not the education itself.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by CydeWeys »

xraystyle wrote: post #30
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

So why not simply stop granting any H-1Bs to rampant abusers like Tata and Infosys, while leaving more H-1Bs to go around for the non-abusers? What they're up to is very widely known.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by rrhd »

chefandy wrote: post #86
damnyou wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. This canard keeps getting repeated in HN threads. This is WRONG. 100% absolutely completely WRONG. The only stated purpose of the H-1B program is to allow foreigners with degrees (or equivalent experience) to perform skilled work in the US. Her…

"will not adversely affect the working conditions of workers similarly employed" Seriously. Who in the world would consider being fired and replaced with cheap labor an adverse effect?

Yeah, but I don't think anyone argues that type of behavior isn't blatant abuse of the program.

It's frustrating when people complain about H-1Bs at big companies like Google/MS/Amazon. Apparently we're underpaid, overworked, and stealing a job from an american. Despite the fact that these companies are almost constantly hiring and if the american wants to go try, they could.

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