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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by taway_1212 »

smsm42 wrote: post #69
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

> Mediocre Japanese student can remain in Japan and be relatively OK. Mediocre student somewhere in talent concentration point is screwed - he's where the top talent of the world is, and has to compete with them for any nice opportunities.

Given the lower salaries and longer working hours in Japan, I'm not convinced that the mediocre Japanese student is better of than the mediocre US student. Even if the Japanese student scores a "better" job (in relation to the opportunities available locally) than the US student, the absolute differences between job markets can make his job worse.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by hkmurakami »

smsm42 wrote: post #69
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

I would go even further to say that the best US students are often "better" than the best international counterparts, because the US runs a primary and secondary education system with a philosophy to grow the standout students as much as possible. The best high schools encourage their top students to really dive deep into their subject of interest, rather than focus on improving the performance of laggards or generally concentrating on improving average performance.

I have zero doubt that the average Japanese student blows the average American student out of the water. But the US produces both a greater number and a greater degree of ridiculously talented and driven students.

Asian countries generally have a high average and low variance distribution in students. The US has a lower average but a much higher variance and thus has more outlier students on both ends of the spectrum. Whether this is good or bad would depend on your perspective.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by friedButter »

damnyou wrote: post #40

Ah yes, gotta love H-1B threads. The latent nativism among the Hacker News crowd is laid bare. Here's a radical proposal: give anyone with a clean criminal record and a job offer a green card. No limits, no $100k minimum wage, no protectionism. If you, with all the advantages that natives get (networks, language, NETWORKS), can be beat by an immigrant with zero social connections, you probably are worth less than you…

I feel the real issue is that Americans are comfy with their quality of life, and spend a lot of money on luxury educationm ending up with loans. People in India for instance are used to a massively lower level of material comforts during education. As a result education is much cheaper (so we dont graduate with massive debts in India) and we are used to a lower quality of live (so 2 people living in a 2 bedroom apartment is still an upgrade).

Americans will end up losing on money in such a system, cause they will want to maintain their quality of life, say living in independent studios with central climate control even in high CoL areas, and they need to pay back education loans which are much lower for people from India

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by ctdonath »

komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

We just came off an 8-year period of significant unemployment. People are understandably skittish about anything that prevents citizens from getting jobs - especially when people are being imported precisely to fill available domestic jobs. Your reductions don't address the fact that we DID invest in domestic talent, and would like to put that investment to use.

Now that national unemployment has plummeted to remarkably low levels, we may again truly find ourselves needing to import workers.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by vermontdevil »

Yet Trump's own Mar-a-Lago is abusing H-2B to obtain 70 foreign workers:

From the article: "It’s unclear whether the Trump Organization had made an extra effort to try to fill the jobs.

In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: “3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club,” the ad said. “No tips,” Fahrenthold reported.

The ad, which ran twice, gave no email address, mailing address or phone number and instructed applicants to “Apply by fax.”"

Hypocrites.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/11/05/...

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by akhilcacharya »

majormajor wrote: post #38
ashleyn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paleoconservatism/populism isn't concerned about the economic benefits of immigration; it's concerned about "protecting" culture so that immigrants don't have the opportunity to reshape it in any capacity. A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country and will sidestep the economic benefits of immigration to retain a demographic majority. To these vo…

What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by damnyou »

davidw wrote: post #119
CydeWeys wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not simply stop granting any H-1Bs to rampant abusers like Tata and Infosys, while leaving more H-1Bs to go around for the non-abusers? What they're up to is very widely known.

Why bother with a fixed number at all? http://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-optimal-number...

> Why bother with a fixed number at all?

This is obviously the sensible approach, but most people who comment on Hacker News immigration threads are nativist. They might pretend to be liberal or progressive [1], but at their core they're no different from the Jim Crow segregationists of the '50s. Changing your in-group from being based on the color of your skin to the patch of dirt you were born on doesn't change the basic immorality of your position.

[1] Though it must be said that progressivism and nativism have been very close friends historically, and continue to be so in the form of NIMBYs.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by learc83 »

vostok wrote: post #81
learc83 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5

I meant that they'll give you a visa if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount. I've now edited my comment.

Sorry, you said "so long as you pay over a certain amount", so I just took the comment at face value.

>if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount.

I don't know any developed countries with that system. Do you?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by cat199 »

majormajor wrote: post #38
ashleyn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paleoconservatism/populism isn't concerned about the economic benefits of immigration; it's concerned about "protecting" culture so that immigrants don't have the opportunity to reshape it in any capacity. A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country and will sidestep the economic benefits of immigration to retain a demographic majority. To these vo…

What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist

- nationalistic, america-first policies

- socially conservative

- womanizing

- served in military

- against homosexuals

- wanted to get rid of the fed

- invaded other countries to fight communism

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