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Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by ck2 »

thought_alarm wrote: post #45
ck2 wrote: post #6

There have always been lies, then advertising, and they deserve to be taken to task for that, but what I find surreal is how much computing power in our hands that we take for granted these days. I guess one day kids will complain their microsd sized devices don't project holograms bright enough or in enough colors.

> but what I find surreal is how much computing power in our hands that we take for granted these days. Computing power that is ruined by the appallingly-poor quality software that was obviously rushed out the door. It's really shameful and depressing.

If the CPU power really is there, then at least the good news is the software can be fixed over time. Early adopters typically suffer in any technical realm.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by kiiski »

lvillani wrote: post #52
kiiski wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What model are you using? My n900 takes about 1 minute to boot, has never (during the last 6 months) crashed or dropped a call (that's probably more of a network problem anyway) and the back cover is the only part that even can be taken off (and this far is has never come off by itself).

... except that the N900 isn't Symbian-powered (and we're talking about Symbian phones here)

We are? I thought the thread was about Nokia, not Symbian.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by mst »

astrodust wrote: post #62
nailer wrote: post #26

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Look at the picture attached to the article you just posted. At the bottom of the screen 'Options, exit'. Just where the soft menu keys would have been. And the same size. And the same amount of buttons. This is a touch phone. Why do you place on screen items like they're going to be activated by soft buttons? Disaster #2 on the way.

The N8 is a really nice phone by 2002 standards. I used to be a big fan of Nokia because they didn't clutter up their menus so badly, or if they did you could at least remember the numbers and zip through them that way. The 8890 was the peak of Nokia, and it's all been downhill from there, trumped time and time again by Ericsson and more recently Apple.

The last Nokia phone I truly loved was the 6310i. Was using one until last year when refurbs started getting too expensive for my taste.

I now have an N900, which I also love - but I don't regard it as a phone, I regard it was a small portable Debian install that just so happens to also make phone calls :)

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by cromulent »

DrJokepu wrote: post #55
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #16

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I am eagerly waiting for the N8. It will ship for 470€. But I am a bit reluctant to buy it, when I think that the Galaxy S (420€) has tethering, better screen, better processor, better CPU, DivX support out of the box and the Nokia does not. I really hope they get it nailed down with the N8. I don't like Big Brother Google, and the closeness of Apple. A nice, working Symbian Phone would be great. Let's see.

When contrasting Nokia to "evil corporations" such as Apple or Google, don't forget that Nokia is the number one advocate of introducing software patents in the European Union. Just sayin'.

Also, remember Lex Nokia.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/06/finland_nokia_snoopi...

Large public companies tend to put significant effort into looking after their own best interests. There's not many exceptions.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by cromulent »

jacquesm wrote: post #24
Setsuna wrote: post #21

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> phones that take 5 minutes to switch on, frequently crash and drop calls and explode in to a variety of parts (cover plates, batteries, main boards, buttons and so on) with normal use. Sounds more like an exaggeration

Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…

> because the battery easily pops out

Yeah, I now consider the no-user-replacable-battery drawback of the iPhone as a feature. The least pieces and hatches, the better. Although, I have replaced it on my 2yo 3G, along with the screen.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by samstokes »

confuzatron wrote: post #53
blub wrote: post #51

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It depends very much on what model you use. They have tens of models... I don't know much about the N96, but my E72 is a good phone. As usual the Symbian firmware has some bugs, but other than that I'm getting very good internet/call quality and it has a solid build.

I used to have an E71 - dreadful OS/software. Email client formatted emails horribly. Browser was awful. I use my Android phone so much more, for web surfing etc, because the usability is lightyears ahead. By the way, does anyone want to buy an old E71?

I have an E71. It's the best phone I've ever owned. The hardware is superb, and the OS is pretty solid, but Nokia's apps department has repeatedly shown that it can't code its way out of a wet paper bag, so the preinstalled apps are indeed pretty crappy. I use a third-party mail client (ProfiMail) and browser (Opera Mobile 10).

The majority of my interaction with the E71 is via third-party apps, and I'm fine with that, because they're far better than anything I've seen on iPhone or Android (and yes, I have tried both at length). I was using most of those same apps before the iPhone was released (also, get off my lawn, you darn kids).

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by pornel »

DrJokepu wrote: post #55
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am eagerly waiting for the N8. It will ship for 470€. But I am a bit reluctant to buy it, when I think that the Galaxy S (420€) has tethering, better screen, better processor, better CPU, DivX support out of the box and the Nokia does not. I really hope they get it nailed down with the N8. I don't like Big Brother Google, and the closeness of Apple. A nice, working Symbian Phone would be great. Let's see.

When contrasting Nokia to "evil corporations" such as Apple or Google, don't forget that Nokia is the number one advocate of introducing software patents in the European Union. Just sayin'.

Nokia was the first company to object inclusion of Theora and Vorbis in HTML5: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/24

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by pornel »

pmarin wrote: post #61
maushu wrote: post #54

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100 This is my phone and I had it for years. Yeah, it doesn't receive email or allows me to browse the internet but it already crashed into the ground and got wet more times that I can count and it still works. The battery still lasts 2 weeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6100 1 week of battery duration (The original battery which is 6 years old).

iPhone lasts just as long if you use it as little as old Nokias.

iPhone has 300h standby and 7-14 hours of talk time. These Nokias had 300-350h of standby time and only 3-4 hours of talk time.

I've tried to use Samsung featurephone as smartphone, and it could handle 45 minutes of video playback on one charge.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by confuzatron »

samstokes wrote: post #77
confuzatron wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have an E71 - dreadful OS/software. Email client formatted emails horribly. Browser was awful. I use my Android phone so much more, for web surfing etc, because the usability is lightyears ahead. By the way, does anyone want to buy an old E71?

I have an E71. It's the best phone I've ever owned. The hardware is superb, and the OS is pretty solid, but Nokia's apps department has repeatedly shown that it can't code its way out of a wet paper bag, so the preinstalled apps are indeed pretty crappy. I use a third-party mail client (ProfiMail) and browser (Opera Mobile 10). The majority of my interaction with the E71 is via third-party apps, and I'm fine with tha…

Hardware wise, I suppose I can't fault the build quality. But the form factor and controls - a tiny screen and a NSEW joystick were very limiting. The keyboard was tiny but worked pretty well. But it was definitely the software that ruined it for me. Opera mobile wasn't terrible but it was really hobbled by the navigation hardware.
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