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Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100 This is my phone and I had it for years. Yeah, it doesn't receive email or allows me to browse the internet but it already crashed into the ground and got wet more times that I can count and it still works. The battery still lasts 2 weeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6100

1 week of battery duration (The original battery which is 6 years old).

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

Look at the picture attached to the article you just posted. At the bottom of the screen 'Options, exit'. Just where the soft menu keys would have been. And the same size. And the same amount of buttons. This is a touch phone. Why do you place on screen items like they're going to be activated by soft buttons? Disaster #2 on the way.

The N8 is a really nice phone by 2002 standards. I used to be a big fan of Nokia because they didn't clutter up their menus so badly, or if they did you could at least remember the numbers and zip through them that way. The 8890 was the peak of Nokia, and it's all been downhill from there, trumped time and time again by Ericsson and more recently Apple.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Look at the picture attached to the article you just posted. At the bottom of the screen 'Options, exit'. Just where the soft menu keys would have been. And the same size. And the same amount of buttons. This is a touch phone. Why do you place on screen items like they're going to be activated by soft buttons? Disaster #2 on the way.

Options/Exit is a long time Symbian thing. Since the OS in N8 is an evolutionary step from the current version of the OS, they probably didn't want to change things too much. Anyway, this is actually one of the least problematic aspects of Symbian and not a disaster at all.

> Options/Exit is a long time Symbian thing.

I understand this. As a potential customer, I don't care.

> they probably didn't want to change things too much.

As a potential customer, your wants are secondary to mine.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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I am eagerly waiting for the N8. It will ship for 470€. But I am a bit reluctant to buy it, when I think that the Galaxy S (420€) has tethering, better screen, better processor, better CPU, DivX support out of the box and the Nokia does not. I really hope they get it nailed down with the N8. I don't like Big Brother Google, and the closeness of Apple. A nice, working Symbian Phone would be great. Let's see.

At least if you're going to code in Java ME, rather than C++, Android is way more open than the Ovi store: http://journal.dedasys.com/2010/06/23/ovi-lays-an-egg

Downvoted for FUD. Android is not Java ME.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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A mid-range consumer phone that costs $1000? I don't think so.

The N8 will cost about $500 before taxes (and without operator subsidies, i.e. unlocked). Where do you get $1000?

The video had that as a slide. Even at $500, the point remains that they are not positioning it as a midrange phone.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100 This is my phone and I had it for years. Yeah, it doesn't receive email or allows me to browse the internet but it already crashed into the ground and got wet more times that I can count and it still works. The battery still lasts 2 weeks.

Mine eventually died of sea-water immersion - the only thing apart from a stake through the heart that can kill it. And even then it's only the speaker that failed.

Can I buy a replacement - no it's only available in Africa! So I had to buy a Motorola - great sales strategy Nokia.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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At least if you're going to code in Java ME, rather than C++, Android is way more open than the Ovi store: http://journal.dedasys.com/2010/06/23/ovi-lays-an-egg

Downvoted for FUD. Android is not Java ME.

Woah there dude. Maybe my sentence structure was off, but I know a thing or two about the difference between the two.

What I'm trying to say: at least if you're doing Java ME, the OVI store is a very closed shop, as evidenced by my unfortunate experience with it, and Android (which is not Java ME) is way more open and pleasant to deal with. I don't know as much about C++; although I think it may be less miserable in some ways than the OVI Java ME experience, although it has other, serious drawbacks.

All in all, Android is where it's at for me in the future.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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What Nokia doesn't get is that they can't market their way out of inferior products, not anymore. They have gotten themselves blind on the quantity of phones that they sell and think that the quantity is a proof that they are doing something right. That they just need to claim to have smart phones and the market will obey. It's really quite sad, as this company if any have the ability to be at the forefront. But such…

It's not that Nokia doesn't get it, they just have some catching up to do. Just from understanding what you need to do you can not launch a high tech product over night.

The problem with Nokia is they have a huge sunk cost in Symbian and it will never be able to compete in the high-end. They'll never catch up because of that. Going to Linux is an interesting choice, but they have to develop that platform and ecosystem as well. It will be difficult for them to catch up when they're starting 2 steps behind.
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