A regression is the kernel not giving the same result with the same user space

Post by dingo_bat » Thu, Nov 02, 2017, 4:12 PM UTC

Winterflow3r wrote: post #253

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #109

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I disagree. To me he usually comes across as an asshole, albeit an extremely smart and accomplished one. A working environment where the person at the top can be relied upon to react to human failings with an aggressive, sweary [1] rant is not somewhere I ever want to work. [1] I'm aware that use of profanity in everyday speech is common in Finland. I don't mind swearing per se, but I find its over-use a bit tedious.

Anecdata: I grew up in Finland. It's common if you're 15-16 and in middle school, but I've rarely heard adults swear in the workplace or in public (unless inebriated). If Linus wants to use perkele management, then I guess it's his project. Doesn't mean it's the right way to do things.

Post by Karunamon » Thu, Nov 02, 2017, 4:16 PM UTC

tertius wrote: post #213

goialoq wrote: post #187

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Do people who don't break users and lie about it get yelled at? Why are impolite words worse that actual harmful actions?

Though I don't disagree with Linus' words. He could convey the same thoughts without swearing. I don't swear and I'm very capable of correcting people when they mess up.

Post by Karunamon » Thu, Nov 02, 2017, 4:17 PM UTC

tertius wrote: post #221

toomuchtodo wrote: post #206

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Because high quality kernel code is more important than not alienating contributors. If someone prefers softer conduct, they are free to fork the kernel and start their own efforts.

> If someone prefers softer conduct The big issue I see people reacting to is profanity. You can be as hard on someone, given the nature of the infraction, without using profane language or denigrating someone. If they don't comply, threaten exactly what Linus threatened, no more commits will be accepted. While I don't disagree with Linus' right to speak as he does. He can be just as effective without the type of lan…

Post by AnthonBerg » Thu, Nov 02, 2017, 4:20 PM UTC

forapurpose wrote: post #262

kadenshep wrote: post #170

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I agree with how he's saying it. He's being honest. He's letting you know where he stands and what the rule is, without any kind of hidden message or room for interpretation. The other guy? Not being so honest.

There's an implicit idea around our culture that the more uncontrolled emotional content that someone communicates, especially anger, the more 'honest' they are - I think because it's intimidating, leaving less room for debate; it makes reasoning very difficult, leaving even less room for a rational approach; it's message is of being uncompromising, which also cuts off any thinking or discussion. By eliminating think…

Post by tome » Thu, Nov 02, 2017, 4:23 PM UTC

gmfawcett wrote: post #228

tome wrote: post #135

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Really? How so? If you have abstract types then you can easily make internal changes without making those changes visible externally.

As a simple example, suppose I swap out one container type with another one in the internal code. Both implement the same interface/traits, so the change isn't visible to users. But the time complexity of the container operations are different on the new type, and the user was depending upon the time characteristics of the old container. E.g., deletions are now O(n) instead of O(1). I've violated a user expectation w…