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Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by mozumder »

Wellshit wrote: post #105
mozumder wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Anything short of that is just a gratuity towards them. Honestly, Americans aren't horrified enough by the mere existence of these people, treating them as an academic concept. If you actually know Nazis, you already know they're an extremely violent group. It took only a few days of me…

> Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Technically, you're advocating for violence against a group of people. Should you be banned? Hope you can see the slippery slope.

Me?

It's the US government that's advocating violence against a group of people.

If you have issues with killing Nazis, take it up with them.

It's as if people have no idea what Nazis actually are.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by KGIII »

michaelchisari wrote: post #90
KGIII wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't read what I wrote. Reddit is absolutely free to do this. Voat exists, if they want a place to speak.

I did read what you wrote. You are not arguing for the right to free speech, you are arguing for a right to a platform (yet referring to such as an appeal to free speech). And there is no such thing. There is no right to a platform for your speech. You are allowed to say it, but nobody has any obligation to repeat, produce, disseminate or validate your speech.

Again, I ask what good is a right if one can not reasonably exercise it?

I also suggest we are veering too far from the topic. To be very, very clear - Reddit is under no obligation to allow anything they do not wish to allow.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by trgv »

keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

Definitions aside, you're just listing "groups" or "ideologies" or whatever you want to call them and then acting like you can objectively determine which are acceptable and which are not. That's also what reddit is doing.

Look, I think Nazism is wrong, I think cops should stop shooting black people for no reason, and I don't really know what "Antifa" is. But I think all of these groups should be able to have subreddits.

I could argue about definition here, and based on your own definitions, "Antifa" might be advocating violence. That aside, the real issue here is that this whole thing seems dishonest to me.

Reddit is banning stuff that generates bad PR. They're banning things that aren't mainstream and things that could be portrayed as advocating/glorifying violence. They aren't going to ban a subreddit for advocating war with North Korea/X country. They aren't going to ban a subreddit for encouraging people to beat up Nazis.

Reddit can do what they like, but I think it's a bad call.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by yodsanklai »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #54
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

Hmm. This is going to be interesting. I mean, nearly everyone should be fine with banning Nazis. After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell... The problem is: where will the line be drawn? What about Black Lives Matter? The more, uh, militant parts of the Antifa movement? Militant animal rights groups (which actually are treated as domestic terroris…

>The problem is: where will the line be drawn? Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance. If BLM, PETA, Antifa want people of other race/class/sexual orientation harmed in any kind of way, sure go ahead and ban them. If on the other hand they want fair treatment, equality or reprieve from targeted brutality, listen to them and see how we as a society can address their concern. If they resort to violence, arrest t…

> Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance.

Not that simple! "Intolerance: unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own".

Does unwillingness to accept Nazi ideology make you intolerant?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by googlryas »

pknopf wrote: post #110
oh_sigh wrote: post #88

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First post seen at the top of the front T_D page is this: http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/26/the-last-time-hillary-had-... Which is making fun of a HRC tweet from last october which said "Happy Birthday to this future president". Doesn't seem very hateful to me. edit: Basd on your edit, I'm curious what you find hateful about this? HRC passed out on 9/11/16 and was dragged into a waiting van. There is a longstanding m…

There was a T_D user who faked a knife attack. He said it was a black person who did it because "he was white". He immediately posted his bloody hand on T_D and said "apparently I look like a NAZI". It was later found out that he made it up. He cut himself. He did it intentionally to stir up hate for black people. The entire sub is effectively 4chan. Crass jokes, fake news, subliminal degenerate brainwashing. It is a…

Do you have a link? I can't find anything after some cursory googling. Also, how did T_D respond when the hoax came out?

Also, do you see a problem with one person doing something bad, and then blaming a whole group?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by nitwit005 »

keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

What you're basically saying is "No reasonable person would think this", but the world isn't exactly short on unreasonable people. There's already tension with some social networks where countries want them to censor protest groups, report atheist blasphemers, and so on.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by mozumder »

RightMillennial wrote: post #101
mozumder wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Anything short of that is just a gratuity towards them. Honestly, Americans aren't horrified enough by the mere existence of these people, treating them as an academic concept. If you actually know Nazis, you already know they're an extremely violent group. It took only a few days of me…

> Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis I'm shocked to actually see this sentiment on HN. You're technically supposed to kill Nazis? That war ended 70 years ago. While I have no sympathy for Nazis, advocating murdering them makes you no better than them. This is disgraceful.

Sure let's see the legal terms of the surrender by the Nazis that allows them to continue to exist.

I mean, we have that from imperial Japan. You should be able to produce a document from the Nazis as well that allows them to exist after the US government declared war on them, right?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by Wellshit »

mozumder wrote: post #111
Wellshit wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Technically, you're advocating for violence against a group of people. Should you be banned? Hope you can see the slippery slope.

Me? It's the US government that's advocating violence against a group of people. If you have issues with killing Nazis, take it up with them. It's as if people have no idea what Nazis actually are.

Take a hard, deep and pondered look at what you wrote.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by zanny »

KirinDave wrote: post #20
tripplethrendo wrote: post #7

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So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s

Maybe take it as a mark of grim respect. Far left and anarchist groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of modern history, with even China partially adopting western aspects of governance to remain competitive. Their successes are almost entirely in appealing to moderates and with heavy appeasement of capitalism. One of the most famous attempt at true communism ended spectacularly, with a bulk v…

I had to do a double take that the KirinDave talking about politics on HN is the same one I watched years back play and manage a Minecraft server with the Yogscast. What a small world!

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by jquery »

lobf wrote: post #47
blfr wrote: post #35

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Reddit, Twitter and others have banned a much wider selection of posters and communities than nazis. Of course they lead with NAZIS! but then it's anything from r/coontown to voting in the wrong thread. To answer your question, you're not running a bastion of free speech if you ban people for their political opinions.

Fortunately reddit is banning communities that advocate violence, not communities with certain sets of politics. It just so happens that there's a major overlap of political views to inciting violence. Even the first amendment recognizes that there are limits to free speech- namely when they infringe on other people's rights.

Which political views would those be? Most of the politically-incited violence of the past few years has been left-wing. From Antifa, to the Berkeley riots, to the BLM riots (and BLM-inspired cop executions in Houston), and the "Bernie-bro" attempted assassination.
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