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Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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On the flip side? As somebody who has plenty of open source projects--the set of employers who actually looks at them is within epsilon of zero. I have not once, not once gotten a meaningful question from anything I have posted on Github in any interview or client meeting even after suggesting up-front that it's worth taking a look. And I used to interview on a monthly basis just to keep in practice! No--instead you…

You must be applying to the wrong companies then. I just got done doing interviews, and I looked at what the second round candidates had available on GitHub and their personal site, and the one who got the job had about 5 projects that were impressive. Good employers care. I care. Its not signaling. Its important.

>Good employers care. I care. Its not signaling. Its important.

It's not important. There are plenty of good companies who don't do these things that manage to pay developers $100k salaries. They may assess in other ways, but it's not the only signal.

It's only important to you. You choose what you want to see in candidates. You need buy-in from the candidates that your process is conducive to a good environment, good code, and good delivery. In turn, you cultivate a team who share something in common, and the team gets along well and makes good code.

It's people finding like-minded people -- the same social movements that are in every other profession. There's nothing wrong with it, but there's currently no prevailing right or wrong way to do it, otherwise that would be the technical interview.

Practically, development is still in demand. So if I get rejected, I can go apply some place else. That's why it's not important.

Maybe your pay is slightly above those other companies, but is a marginal pay increase really worth all of the extra effort? That's up to the developer. But the employers that don't use this criteria are not non-good employers.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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I had a side project that I wanted to make into a side business. I worked with my employer to write up a doc that said they'd have no claim on it and would let me own it. My employer did have the "we own everything you make" in my contract.

I know someone who tried that - the company fired him, plus the company fought paying him unemployment. You gotta watch out!

They fired him for just asking? Then they're horrible, and he's better off far away from them. Most employers are not actually cartoon villains and will be reasonable.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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> Employers don't care. The wrong empoyers don't care. The right ones do. My github portfolio is a means for me to determine if a potential employer is suitable for me, not the other way around. It's not a test for me to pass, it's a test for a potential employer to pass. If a recruiter brings up things listed on my LinkedIn page, I know they're not suitable for me. If they bring up things on my github, I'm reasonabl…

I don't expect my surgeon to do surgery in his spare time. Nor my plumber, dentist, gardener, or any other professional. I look at their past work history and reviews from customers and/or coworkers. I will never understand the belief that side projects are in any way necessary. I'd much rather have a well rounded individual who isn't moonlighting on other things but rather can bring his clear focused mind to the off…

I would expect my doctor to read papers, news, etc to keep abreast of the latest medical advances though.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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I’m not mad at you, but as the dude on the other side of the desk, I have to decide whether you can cut it and I’m fine saying no. I could make you do some whiteboard problems, but I think whiteboard problems are pretty far removed from your day to day development and I am uncomfortable relying on them as a proxy for your ability to ship code. I don’t really disagree with your philosophy of working while you’re worki…

Our client always ask for code samples. Code samples we use from projects. When we hire a dev. The dev needs to at least have a github and "some" code samples. its what the client wants ( i know ignorant but here me out)We work with the project owner, who's boss ( signs the check) applies pressure on him ( blames him really) for any fuck ups in code / app failures) Meanwhile the boss changes the app features on a daily basis. So the PM does not know any better since he has to have the code approved from another teach lead. So if you want to make money you have to provide ( proof of work / code) which may take the form of a side project ( demonstrates your not in it for the money without passion) I don't know, just my experience with hiring a dev.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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Here's what I've done for something like this - a few days before I was set to do rounds of interviews, I took a couple hours for each of my old side projects to comment what I would have done differently in my code. It's much easier to do and it gives the employers a dive into your current thinking when it comes to development. As an example, check the source on my homepage: http://jjcm.org

This was neat. It also seems like a good way to show how you might discuss your work and others work, as well as your sense of humor. It almost felt like reading one of those "the annotated source code of X" sites. How many of these side projects have you done this for? If nothing else, that was an entertaining read.

I did it for two other side projects. A simple connect four game that I made right when I was learning javascript and an old handlebars.js site I made. I got a lot of positive feedback regarding it from interviews though. Seemed like it worked well.

Glad you found it entertaining!

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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This. Not once has a potential employer ever said to me: "Based on your Github, you can obviously fizzbuzz with the best of them, and know a for-loop from an if-statement. Let's skip the phone screen/homework assignment and get you onsite directly."

Time for anecdotes. Twice in my career, an employer has looked at my GitHub and asked specific questions about certain projects, what motivated me to write the project, why did I not use a popular big data technology to write the project, etc.

But, did that interest lead directly to a job offer? My guess would be no, knowing the industry and given no other information about your situation.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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I’m not mad at you, but as the dude on the other side of the desk, I have to decide whether you can cut it and I’m fine saying no. I could make you do some whiteboard problems, but I think whiteboard problems are pretty far removed from your day to day development and I am uncomfortable relying on them as a proxy for your ability to ship code. I don’t really disagree with your philosophy of working while you’re worki…

On the flip side? As somebody who has plenty of open source projects--the set of employers who actually looks at them is within epsilon of zero. I have not once, not once gotten a meaningful question from anything I have posted on Github in any interview or client meeting even after suggesting up-front that it's worth taking a look. And I used to interview on a monthly basis just to keep in practice! No--instead you…

Another hiring manager here who reads GitHub profiles and loves to have a candidate walk me through what challenges they experienced, design decisions they had to make, etc.

One question I have for the grandparent post: what would a meaningful question be? Is the description I mention above seem like a meaningful way to discuss the work you took the time to share with me?

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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In my experience, that doesn't happen. And I go on a lot of interviews; it's an activity that helps with a set of skills that I always need to keep sharp. And, along those lines, I get a lot of offers! But it has never-not-once been related to my Github profile. In my experience, it is employers signaling how cool they are before they ask you to do their multi-hour coding test for no money.

> before they ask you to do their multi-hour coding test for no money Where do all of you keep finding those companies? Is that an SV thing, or am I just not applying to "prestigious" enough companies? I've been on my fair share of interviews and haven't had that happen once, along with no whiteboard interviews. I can echo your experience about Github projects playing a small role apart from signaling though. Once, a…

I've had to jump through those terrible "online coding challenge" hoops for jobs that didn't even involve coding! Tech companies far and wide are currently obsessed with them, to their detriment.

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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Giving a candidate a "take-home assignment" is actually the most disrespectful of the options listed. Unless you're an awesome company, with really cool projects and offering me a jaw dropping salary and benefits, then no, I'm not going to do free work for you. Even if you are an awesome company, people probably have to actually work for you to see that, so no, I'm not going to do free work for you. I'd rather spend…

That's fine, I'm happy to hire someone who is dedicated, passionate, and loves coding enough to to a quick assignment. Its not free work, its a demonstration of skill. In fact, we just hired someone who did that, and her assignment came back better than expected. At first we were so-so on her due to potential lack of experience, but the assignment (and her projects on her personal site) showed us were wrong.

When you hire someone to fix your roof, do you make them build you a doghouse first to prove they know carpentry?

Re: I have no side code projects to show you

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I guess I see that as disrespectful of their time, but I could probably work something like that out. I run a small shop. I am allowed to use my good judgment.

I think many of the people on HN that say they won't do a take-home assignment would actually do a 30-60 minute take-home assignment if it meant avoiding the "code some algorithm on a whiteboard while the interviewer glares at you" situation. Then on the on-site, you can focus on the design/behavioral type things appropriate to the role's level of seniority. Also, if you give the same assignment to multiple candidate…

> I think many of the people on HN that say they won't do a take-home assignment would actually do a 30-60 minute take-home assignment if it meant avoiding the "code some algorithm on a whiteboard while the interviewer glares at you" situation.

Except it never means this. It's always "and" and not "instead of". Many companies do these irritating programming challenges now, and then when you pass them, will still bring you in for the standard Whiteboard Hazing sessions.

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