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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by detaro »

TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #37
Mz wrote: post #3

None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is not true and it does not look good for him to say it: The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture. In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker,…

> I am pretty appalled to hear that he had an online text-based affair with a woman who outed him to his wife for apparently vindictive reasons. So because of a relationship it absolves him of all his accusations? Should we just throw out the multiple stories accusing him of this just because of said relationship? Guy straight up gaslighted these women so excuse me if I have zero sympathy for him.

She said nothing of the sort you suggested. Even if that line you quoted were the only line the comment, it doesn't say that.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by blfr »

Why is it relevant to HN? Who is this? Were the original accusations posted here?

It's also rather pointless to nitpick legal definitions of sexual harassment when the guy starts by mentioning he rejected his lawyer's advice.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by [deleted] »

asdfasfhretwt wrote: post #22
Mz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it was originally addressed to me and you claim it is an honest question: Mostly not in work settings or work related settings, and much more carefully than in the past when dating norms hinged on the assumption that men were providers and women were destined to become homemakers. You have to consider how this impacts both your career and hers, not just yours alone. To give an example that I hope elucidates som…

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

Invictus0 wrote: post #40
TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: replied to wrong comment

I don't know how you conclude from my comment, maybe you should reread it. I don't believe in social justice adjudicated by uninformed internet commenters, and caution against jumping to conclusions when you don't really know the facts. You're only reinforcing my point that sexual misconduct allegations are especially damaging, by misrepresenting my words and automatically assigning Scoble a guilty verdict.

Replied to the wrong comment, sorry

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by Anderkent »

TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #15

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

Eh. I think everyone agrees power imbalance is a crucial part of capital letters Sexual Harassment. We know people can be assholes to each other at any point, but we pay particular attention to people in positions of power over others.

Setting aside power imbalances of physical nature (i.e. alone in an elevator), I think he's mostly accurate? Unwelcome advances in a situation where there is little possibility of harm to the woman should she reject you are just unwelcome advances. Maybe creepy, maybe rude, maybe disgusting. But they're not abuse, and they're not sexual harassment.

I think that's clearly the goalpost he's comparing his behaviour to.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

oh_sigh wrote: post #19

I have no knowledge of this issue specifically, but more generally, if you're even a somewhat public figure, I think the best course of action is to have a discreet 24/7 bodycam rolling to record all of your interactions. We're at a point where your career and social network can be torpedoed by anyone merely making a claim on social media. No police, no day in court, just allegations are enough.

So you're take away from this is that he, Robert Scoble, is in more need of protection via body cam than any of the women who came out against him?

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by csydas »

hartator wrote: post #16

> Every act of infidelity, every time I have watched an adult video online, How watching porn equates to cheat on your wife? Very weird moral compass.

I believe you're misreading that part of the post, as it goes on to list these as actions which wrong women in general. The writer is equating his viewing of porn to wronging women.

It's kind of a strange mea culpa, to be honest, as even in the most socially progressive of circles, pornography is a very divisive topic, with many finding it degrading and many finding it liberating.

edit: added a comma after "circles"

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by zaroth »

TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #15

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

If you're hoping for substantive discussion it would be good if you could say more.

Just like on HN the guidelines are to take the most charitable interpretation possible of what someone wrote when responding, I think it's best to apply the same process when critiquing TFA.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by emodendroket »

astura wrote: post #20

I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations. I am just absolutely shocked by this >I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. JFC, does anyone actual…

Yeah, I'm in pretty much the same place, with no idea who this guy is or what he's accused of, but I feel like this statement is having the opposite of the intended effect on me.
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