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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by CJefferson »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

Lots of people commit crimes and deny them. To me, the idea that an apparently disconnected set of women would all come forward with similar stories set off serious alarm bells. Why would a series of women all accuse the same man?

Of course, we can still wait for this to make it's way through court, but I feel your defensiveness is too strong in the other direction, going straight to accusing all the women of being liars.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by asdfasfhretwt »

Mz wrote: post #14
throwaway345678 wrote: post #7

So, honest question: Are men allowed to approach women in a sexualized context ever again? If so, when?

Since it was originally addressed to me and you claim it is an honest question: Mostly not in work settings or work related settings, and much more carefully than in the past when dating norms hinged on the assumption that men were providers and women were destined to become homemakers. You have to consider how this impacts both your career and hers, not just yours alone. To give an example that I hope elucidates som…

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by minimaxir »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

> I have no clue if they are true, or how true they are, but I believe that because he disregarded his lawyer's advice and made a statement, there is at least a little bit of truth here.

Quinn Norton’s account of her interactions with Scoble has been corroborated by multiple witnesses and it drastically disagrees with Scoble’s account: https://twitter.com/willoremus/status/923257035742781440

Layers advise clients to remain silent even if they are 100% innocent because talking almost always makes things worse.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

Invictus0 wrote: post #18

Without making any moral judgments here, the guy has a valid point in that it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual harassment. The former is a non-illegal, personal matter, and the latter is a criminal matter. I think most people probably aren't interested in making this distinction and would prefer to indiscriminately shun either kind of person, but this the importance of t…

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by madmax108 »

Ouch, this might very well have been drafted by a PR team. He even manages to pitch in his new company in there. Such non-apology apologies have sadly become the norm in the valley.

All it takes is to understand that everyone's idea of what constitutes "harassment" is different, and to behave (or at least try) at a global minima. It's sad that he realizes that his moral compass is broken, yet seems to relish making the same "mistake" over and over again.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by Anderkent »

oh_sigh wrote: post #19

I have no knowledge of this issue specifically, but more generally, if you're even a somewhat public figure, I think the best course of action is to have a discreet 24/7 bodycam rolling to record all of your interactions. We're at a point where your career and social network can be torpedoed by anyone merely making a claim on social media. No police, no day in court, just allegations are enough.

Just people finding out you have a bodycam is likely enough to get a harassment bandwagon going against you. It's creepy.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by [deleted] »

Mz wrote: post #14
throwaway345678 wrote: post #7

So, honest question: Are men allowed to approach women in a sexualized context ever again? If so, when?

Since it was originally addressed to me and you claim it is an honest question: Mostly not in work settings or work related settings, and much more carefully than in the past when dating norms hinged on the assumption that men were providers and women were destined to become homemakers. You have to consider how this impacts both your career and hers, not just yours alone. To give an example that I hope elucidates som…

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by ajross »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

> I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of a rape actually having occurred.

It was deliberately crafted to be so. So if we want to apply some science to our guessing: what is the fraction of real harrassment incidents to fraudulently reported ones in our society?

You can "some women" and "because he disgregarded" your way around the disembling, but the truth is that if you really want to guess based on the evidence at hand, the guy is probably guilty.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by arkades »

minimaxir wrote: post #23
DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

> I have no clue if they are true, or how true they are, but I believe that because he disregarded his lawyer's advice and made a statement, there is at least a little bit of truth here. Quinn Norton’s account of her interactions with Scoble has been corroborated by multiple witnesses and it drastically disagrees with Scoble’s account: https://twitter.com/willoremus/status/923257035742781440 Layers advise clients to…

That is a link to a screen grab of a Norton quote alongside a screen grab of a Scoble quote. It doesn’t seem to include any corroboration by anyone. Wrong link?
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