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Oh I know you're not allowed a referendum, you should be though. What I was referring to was public opinion polls, I've never seen one conducted that resulted in 50% or higher in favour of full independence.
I know what you mean, but I am pretty sure that you're going to see those numbers go higher. It looks like some of the non-independence options that a person might have preferred in those polls are being explicitly taken off the table by the Spanish government.
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I replied to jayniz, maybe you didn't see it. It's in the article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution: > La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado. (The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)
That certainly doesn't seem to outlaw people casting votes for independence.
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Yes. Thomas Jefferson said something along those lines. I think every generation might be a little extreme. Every other generation, certainly.
And which other country is doing this today?
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And which other country is doing this today?
The US has been amending the constitution about once every generation or so the last amendment was in 1992.
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The US has been amending the constitution about once every generation or so the last amendment was in 1992.
Sure, many countries change parts of their constitution from time to time, usually through a parliament. The question was however: "So every generation has to vote a new constitution?" because earlier someone was questioning the Spanish constitution since "no one under 57 has voted on it".
You would also want to note that many constitutions in Europe aren’t that old many were rewritten following WW2 and those which weren’t are often modified and ratified.
There is no legal difference between adding or removing parts of a constitution and voting on a new one.
You still need to approve a new constitution and ratify it. If you start from scratch it means that you either didn’t have a codified constitution or it was really shitty but those are pretty unique cases.
I really don’t see a problem of revising a constitution once every 25-50 years.
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Sure, many countries change parts of their constitution from time to time, usually through a parliament. The question was however: "So every generation has to vote a new constitution?" because earlier someone was questioning the Spanish constitution since "no one under 57 has voted on it".
It’s the same thing. You would also want to note that many constitutions in Europe aren’t that old many were rewritten following WW2 and those which weren’t are often modified and ratified. There is no legal difference between adding or removing parts of a constitution and voting on a new one. You still need to approve a new constitution and ratify it. If you start from scratch it means that you either didn’t have a…
What is then exactly now the difference if you compare Spain with other countries?
The sentiment on the street is to keep pushing forward and declare independence. The opposition to this rule is huge (there has been a new huge demostration today). If this happens civil disobedience will grow. There won't be a civil war (we are peaceful people and have no guns), but we won't obey what comes from Madrid.
Given that "Catalunia leader" has dissolved the Parlament (Catalunia local congress) and declared independence(but saying that he suspended it), it is only logical what the Government has to do. The central Government is not escalating anything, on the contrary, it has been extremely weak. Imagine that some State in the US declares the president of the US has no decisions over his land, and that you follow your own l…
>>Imagine that some State in the US declares the president of the US has no decisions over his land, and that you follow your own local laws(made by you on the go) instead of the laws of your country. It will not take more than 5 minutes of that for the country to act. We have a strong Federalist Society and I think it would take much longer than 5 mins to act. While the US Federal Government has gain alot of power a…
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And which other country is doing this today?
The US has been amending the constitution about once every generation or so the last amendment was in 1992.
It was to satisfy banks, but for the sake of your argumentation, they changed it.