Earlier quoted context omitted.
Company's don't get to decide. It is written in law. Check the WARN act, but the key threshold seems to be 500 workers at a single facility. As an employer, getting rid of your worst 1% of workers once a year is just housekeeping.
"Housekeeping" is a funny euphemism for sending hundreds of people into unemployment.
Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
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Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#52It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#53To give a scale, Tesla has more than 30 000 employees [1]. That is just a little above 1%. [1] https://electrek.co/2017/06/01/tesla-elon-musk-employees-har...
I found that number surprising, although I also know very little about what it takes to manufacture things. Any idea what the employee breakdown looks like in terms of profession and area of focus (since they have solar city too)?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea seems like the more interesting title/angle for the article would be "Tesla misses model3 production by 5-6x", rather than "Tesla fires 1% of workforce".
1% is a hell of a lot of percent for a company of 30000.
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#55Hacker News is influential. Upvotes can easily be gamed.
Noise is added to mix good info with misinformation to confuse and frustrate people sifting through comments trying to make sense of things.
These people will make weaker arguments against Tesla's actions so those arguments can be easily discredited. People making stronger arguments against Tesla will be clumped with them.
Trolling increases noise and frustration. It makes people not want to read adversarial comments.
Denigrate, dismiss, discredit.
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Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#56It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…
I feel like people who "strongly support organized labor" don't write like this about organized labor ("infiltration and union formation"?). Its _workforce_ is not "vulnerable to attack" from big labor, its bottom line is, and to the benefit of its workers. That's how unions work.
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#57It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…
The idea that unions can magically get a level-playing field in any country without support from the state also suggests you are a bit naive about how employers have reacted and still react to unions absent such protections.
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Company's don't get to decide. It is written in law. Check the WARN act, but the key threshold seems to be 500 workers at a single facility. As an employer, getting rid of your worst 1% of workers once a year is just housekeeping.
"Housekeeping" is a funny euphemism for sending hundreds of people into unemployment.
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#59It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…
It's not that they want to hurt tesla (or walmart, etc) any more or less than they want to help GM, Ford, etc... it's that they, like any other business, wants to grow their revenue and they grow by representing more people (union dues). Sure, it might cause a little more competition for the other people they represent, but like any good business they want to diversify their holdings as much as possible so they're always on the winning team too.
Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week
#60It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…