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Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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Company's don't get to decide. It is written in law. Check the WARN act, but the key threshold seems to be 500 workers at a single facility. As an employer, getting rid of your worst 1% of workers once a year is just housekeeping.

"Housekeeping" is a funny euphemism for sending hundreds of people into unemployment.

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Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…

What exactly is this "big labor" fantasy?

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To give a scale, Tesla has more than 30 000 employees [1]. That is just a little above 1%. [1] https://electrek.co/2017/06/01/tesla-elon-musk-employees-har...

I found that number surprising, although I also know very little about what it takes to manufacture things. Any idea what the employee breakdown looks like in terms of profession and area of focus (since they have solar city too)?

Wondering what the ratio is between Tesla HQ functions, Tesla Manufacturing, Tesla charging infrastructure servicing, Solar City HQ, and Solar City installation/maintenance/servicing.

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Yea seems like the more interesting title/angle for the article would be "Tesla misses model3 production by 5-6x", rather than "Tesla fires 1% of workforce".

1% is a hell of a lot of percent for a company of 30000.

The typical headline making layoff % at a Fortune500 type company is ~10%, fwiw.

Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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These people will make weaker arguments against Tesla's actions so those arguments can be easily discredited. People making stronger arguments against Tesla will be clumped with them.

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Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…

I feel like people who "strongly support organized labor" don't write like this about organized labor ("infiltration and union formation"?). Its _workforce_ is not "vulnerable to attack" from big labor, its bottom line is, and to the benefit of its workers. That's how unions work.

They support labor "in the abstract" which is to say they don't support labor "in reality".

Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…

The idea that unions wanting workers to form unions is somehow underhanded says more about your viewpoint than the rather abstract disclaimer that "So while I strongly support organized labor in abstract, ..."

The idea that unions can magically get a level-playing field in any country without support from the state also suggests you are a bit naive about how employers have reacted and still react to unions absent such protections.

Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Company's don't get to decide. It is written in law. Check the WARN act, but the key threshold seems to be 500 workers at a single facility. As an employer, getting rid of your worst 1% of workers once a year is just housekeeping.

"Housekeeping" is a funny euphemism for sending hundreds of people into unemployment.

If I line up a random group of 100 people at the average company, I can almost guarantee you that there is at least one who isn't doing his part. As someone who has worked with some of these people (and seen them laid off in rounds of performance-based cuts), I can tell you that some people deserve to be sent to unemployment. Yep, some good people will get hit too, but from my experience a good middle management layer can identify the low performers with a great deal of accuracy.

Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…

> groups that are entrenched in legacy car manufacturing wish to prevent Tesla from accelerating those companies' decline

It's not that they want to hurt tesla (or walmart, etc) any more or less than they want to help GM, Ford, etc... it's that they, like any other business, wants to grow their revenue and they grow by representing more people (union dues). Sure, it might cause a little more competition for the other people they represent, but like any good business they want to diversify their holdings as much as possible so they're always on the winning team too.

Re: Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

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It's important to keep in mind that Tesla (like Walmart, Whole Foods, and Amazon) has been targeted by big labor for infiltration and union formation [1] [2] This is not necessarily because working conditions make workers feel that they would prefer the tradeoffs of unionization, but simply because Tesla is much more competitive without its workforce unionized, and so labor groups that are entrenched in legacy car ma…

Lol, big labor? So you just mean workers.
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