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Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by shlant »

iridium wrote: post #52
cup-of-tea wrote: post #35

I've read a lot of, often conflicting, dietry guidance. I have realised one very important thing: humans will very easily accept that something they enjoy is bad for them (see fat, sex etc.) So listening to what people say is bad for them is stupid. Instead I have taken a simpler approach: I observe the lifestyles of people who are healthy and live a long time. I have observed that eating simply "good, old-fashioned"…

Selection bias is something worth avoiding in understanding health studies. It’s quite likely that you know about these folks because they had the right genetics to be healthy outliers, and by extension, famous. It’s no different than saying I know x people who didn’t die of lung cancer due to smoking, which doesn’t change the implication that y% of smokers will always get lung cancer, we just haven’t figured out wha…

I have to agree. "Just do what they did and you'll have as good a chance as any." is very dangerous advice for many reasons. Besides selection/survivorship bias, you have NO idea what the true lifestyle of celebrities is outside of what you are shown.

People have survived smoking a cigar a day for decades, but that's a terrible reason to justify the habit, especially when information says otherwise in the other 99% of cases.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by bmcusick »

And yet many of the longest-lived populations on earth have diets rich in carbohydrates, like the Okinawans.

I hate associational studies like this which don't distinguish between types of carbohydrates (sugar vs starch) or other factors, like whether they were eating whole meals of natural foods or snacking on potato chips 24/7.

But at least they've finally noticed they were completely wrong about saturated fat for 80 years.

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Post by ianai »

maxxxxx wrote: post #44
cup-of-tea wrote: post #35

I've read a lot of, often conflicting, dietry guidance. I have realised one very important thing: humans will very easily accept that something they enjoy is bad for them (see fat, sex etc.) So listening to what people say is bad for them is stupid. Instead I have taken a simpler approach: I observe the lifestyles of people who are healthy and live a long time. I have observed that eating simply "good, old-fashioned"…

The problem is that simple home cooked food can't be commercialized. So all advice that gets published will be for something where you can buy a product. Same for exercise. We already know how to exercise but there are always people who want to make money by repackaging it.

I think those things can be commercialized but they have not been to the extent that Keto diets have.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by nf05papsjfVbc »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #45
smn1234 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drown everything in olive oil. Good, European protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), and traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG) type olive oils. They're delicious. And you get full rather quickly. That feeling lasts. And I'm fairly certain the plant fat is not what's making us jiggly

Oil is an extremely concentrated form of energy and your body will most certainly store it as fat if you eat too much of it.

"Too much" is by definition more than what you ought to consume. On a keto diet, olive oil is an excellent source of fat. Used as salad dressing, it's highly unlikely to cross the "too much" threshold.

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Post by miguelrochefort »

mkrecny wrote: post #30
miguelrochefort wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on keto (on and off) about 50% of the time in the past 3 years. The worst part is not being able to eat/drink at social events, and dehydration. The best part is never feeling hungry, stable energy levels throughout the day, and not needing to sleep as much. I also tend to binge a lot when off keto...

Not needing to sleep as much?

I tend to wake up earlier when on keto (~1 hour).

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by eisrep »

huehehue wrote: post #46
whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

Do you have any recommended reading on your diet, and the potential problems of a modern milkshake-abundant one? I could just Google it but it's hard to cut through the noise/misinformation when researching diet stuff for the first time. Mainly asking because my diet yesterday was a six pack of Kirin Ichiban beer, a double cheeseburger, and a large P. Terry's chocolate shake, and I felt fine and still had a very prod…

Not GP, but I've also followed a ketogenic diet for a couple of years now. When I first started I learned a lot from Dr. Peter Attia and the videos he has on YouTube.

One example[1] goes through him talking about the self-experimentation he's done with the diet and the variations of it. From memory, it was pretty informative (albeit general) on the chemistry/biology surrounding it.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwvcrA7oe8

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by rblatz »

X86BSD wrote: post #53
philfrasty wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

„no carbohydrate intake at all for half a day before“ no way your body was in ketosis.

It takes about a week of < 20g/carbs a day for the body to go into ketosis. This is born out by buying keto strips and testing your urine.

It takes 3 days for me to hit ketosis at that carb level.

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Post by keymone »

randallsquared wrote: post #57
philfrasty wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

„no carbohydrate intake at all for half a day before“ no way your body was in ketosis.

"Doing keto" implies less than 20g/day on an ongoing basis, at least as I understand it. On top of that, one might have eaten early in the previous day, eaten no breakfast, and be working out about lunch time, which would provide the "at least half a day without carbs of any kind". It may be that you disagree, but I get the feeling that you ignored the "doing keto" part of my setup, and instead thought that the perso…

the specific number varies between different people. i'd say <20g is enough to get everybody into ketosis. <50g is enough for some.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by evgen »

iridium wrote: post #52
cup-of-tea wrote: post #35

I've read a lot of, often conflicting, dietry guidance. I have realised one very important thing: humans will very easily accept that something they enjoy is bad for them (see fat, sex etc.) So listening to what people say is bad for them is stupid. Instead I have taken a simpler approach: I observe the lifestyles of people who are healthy and live a long time. I have observed that eating simply "good, old-fashioned"…

Selection bias is something worth avoiding in understanding health studies. It’s quite likely that you know about these folks because they had the right genetics to be healthy outliers, and by extension, famous. It’s no different than saying I know x people who didn’t die of lung cancer due to smoking, which doesn’t change the implication that y% of smokers will always get lung cancer, we just haven’t figured out wha…

This is why it is better to look at long-term national data rather than selective studies (such as the one noted in the title) which fail to control for obvious discrepancies in their data which would contradict the click-bait headline. The populations that have the longest average lifespans seem to have a few things in common and carbs are one of those common factors.

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Post by metalliqaz »

digitalsushi wrote: post #32
metalliqaz wrote: post #28

Man I'm screwed. Don't drink, don't smoke, but totally addicted to carbs. Granola bars...mmmmmm

are you addicted to carbs, or are the critters living in your gut that get hangry when you starve them? more of a talking point because i dont have my head around it. my wife had me do a "die off" diet for several weeks of doing keto; i got super bloated, got a rash everywhere, and then all of a sudden felt skinny and good. ...then i binged and it was all normal again

I am my critters and my critters are me.
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