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Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by cup-of-tea »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

But this research says nothing about such a strict and artificial diet over a long period of time. I wonder, do you know of any people who have eaten keto all their life and lived to an old age?

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Post by blakesterz »

bigtunacan wrote: post #20

Related; I saw on Hacker News awhile back a really great website that aggregates a lot of this health research and then gives summaries of, "What's the current known truth" based on all of the varying research. They then re-market that data as a service somehow. Anyone on here recall this by chance as I'm no longer able to locate it?

This one maybe?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by lurcio »

bigtunacan wrote: post #20

Related; I saw on Hacker News awhile back a really great website that aggregates a lot of this health research and then gives summaries of, "What's the current known truth" based on all of the varying research. They then re-market that data as a service somehow. Anyone on here recall this by chance as I'm no longer able to locate it?

Perhaps examine.com

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8138784

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956839

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by maxxxxx »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #35

I've read a lot of, often conflicting, dietry guidance. I have realised one very important thing: humans will very easily accept that something they enjoy is bad for them (see fat, sex etc.) So listening to what people say is bad for them is stupid. Instead I have taken a simpler approach: I observe the lifestyles of people who are healthy and live a long time. I have observed that eating simply "good, old-fashioned"…

The problem is that simple home cooked food can't be commercialized. So all advice that gets published will be for something where you can buy a product.

Same for exercise. We already know how to exercise but there are always people who want to make money by repackaging it.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by cup-of-tea »

smn1234 wrote: post #16
trevyn wrote: post #8

I’ve found eating out socially on keto a big challenge (carbs still look delicious) until I found a hack: unreasonably large portions of salad, covered in salt. Salt is fucking delicious. Add olive oil too if you feel like it.

I drown everything in olive oil. Good, European protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), and traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG) type olive oils. They're delicious. And you get full rather quickly. That feeling lasts. And I'm fairly certain the plant fat is not what's making us jiggly

Oil is an extremely concentrated form of energy and your body will most certainly store it as fat if you eat too much of it.

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Post by huehehue »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

Do you have any recommended reading on your diet, and the potential problems of a modern milkshake-abundant one? I could just Google it but it's hard to cut through the noise/misinformation when researching diet stuff for the first time.

Mainly asking because my diet yesterday was a six pack of Kirin Ichiban beer, a double cheeseburger, and a large P. Terry's chocolate shake, and I felt fine and still had a very productive day. I want to know why I'm able to tolerate stuff like that, and how/if that armor might start falling off as I get older.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by cup-of-tea »

maxxxxx wrote: post #44
cup-of-tea wrote: post #35

I've read a lot of, often conflicting, dietry guidance. I have realised one very important thing: humans will very easily accept that something they enjoy is bad for them (see fat, sex etc.) So listening to what people say is bad for them is stupid. Instead I have taken a simpler approach: I observe the lifestyles of people who are healthy and live a long time. I have observed that eating simply "good, old-fashioned"…

The problem is that simple home cooked food can't be commercialized. So all advice that gets published will be for something where you can buy a product. Same for exercise. We already know how to exercise but there are always people who want to make money by repackaging it.

I fear you may be correct.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by fasteo »

XFrequentist wrote: post #37
fasteo wrote: post #11

Note that this is probably not what you are thinking (low-carb, very-low carb or even keto diets are good for your healthspan). The lowest quintile in this study were consuming 46,4% of kcal from carbs (that's about 230 gram of carbs for a 2000 kcal total intake). Not even close to low carb by today's standard in the health blogosphere. The authors make this explicit in the discussion section: >>> However, the absenc…

Anecdatum, but I play competitive basketball on a very low carbohydrate diet ( necessary seems necessarily false. The missing concept (in the brief quote in your comment) might be "fat adaptation", which takes (in my experience) 2-4 weeks (details: http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/the-art-and-science-of... ) One certainly can fuel activity with carbohydrates, but a fat-adapted person should have no trouble with…

OP here. Fully agree. I do 2-3 keto cycles (5 weeks) per year. Not against keto diet.

But note that the context of this study is healthspan and mortality, not athletic performance, weight loss, etc.

It was just warning that this study does not warrant that keto diet is good for your health in the long term. The title is a bit misleading.

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Post by mentallimits »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

what crash? are all these people you see in the coffee shop diabetic?

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by H1Supreme »

tl;dr Refined sugar contributes to getting fat, and an early grave. No shit, Sherlock. They conveniently left out any reference to fiber, or the exact sources of said carbohydrates. Sources matter tremendously due to fiber content and levels of refinement.

Stick to fibrous veggies, beans, nuts, some fruit (berries are best), and you'll be just fine eating carbs.

I'm not contesting the fact that ketogenic diets work for people. But this study is kinda bullshit since it's basically alluding to the worst kind of high GI refined carbs

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