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Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

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Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

#111

I may not understand the scope of this project, but when I read the $2 billion, my thought was "wow that's cheap!" Consider the Big Dig or the current Seattle tunnel, at $14B+ and $3B+ respectively.

Or the $3.5B approved for BART to upgrade some lights and wash more of the urine smell off the seats.

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

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post #105

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yet everyone there still drives everywhere spewing carbon into their own air with every trip This. Every single person who claims they believe global climate change is a very serious, and man-made, problem absolutely should be taking personal steps now to address it. Telecommuting is a thing. Home-solar is a thing. Electric cars are a thing. Quit telling _others_ to solve the problems, and start doing it personally,…

This reminds me of the whole "take shorter showers" thing. The amount of water consumed taking showers is minuscule compared to how much water is used for industrial agriculture. It's not going to make a difference to take a 5 minute shower vs. 10 minutes. So it overall feels very defeating as an individual to try to make a change.

Definitely agreed that it's important to take a look at all of the domains that have an affect on the situation. That said, one of the things "take shorter showers" and similar efforts does do is raise awareness and helps people keep it in mind as part of their daily life. This can have an effect on the decisions they make in other areas as well.

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

#113

Interestingly, the official website doesn't mention climate change at all, as far as I can see [1]. Instead, it claims that the purpose of the tunnels is to protect the areas surrounding some smaller rivers upstream of Tokyo, which are on flood plains and regularly used to get flooded (no climate change required, just regular rain season/typhoon does this). Now due to urban sprawl more people want to live there, exac…

Also too, of course you should build your "prevent floods from wrecking our shit" system to handle floods "beyond anything we've seen before". Building it to handle less than what you've seen before would be stupid.

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It's so crazy to me that everyone in vulnerable places--Tokyo and Houston in the article for example--are happy to spend hundreds of millions, even billions, to put a bandaid on their local climate change problems. It seems like they all acknowledge the reality and danger of climate change and are willing to spend money on it. In TFA Houston wants $400 million to build a reservoir. They seem to acknowledge that thing…

It's very likely that local band-aids are the most effective way to deal with this. Your train example is a pretty good one, but you've mixed up the metaphor. Here, "stepping out of the way" = mass migrations out of coastal cities. "A mechanized winch that temporarily lifts us over the train" = flood control projects like in Tokyo, Houston, Venice, or the Netherlands. "Calling the train company and asking them to sto…

As an aside with similar sentiment, this quote really drove home the point of flexible humans are to their situations.

"Centralisation breeds anomalies: beach resorts often buy their seafood in Mexico City’s wholesale market, hundreds of miles from the coast."

https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21665027-its-combinat...

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

#116
From what I understand, Japan thinks the climate is getting warmer due to human action, and serious steps need to be taken to deal with it.

I have a question for the global climate change skeptics out there.

Are there any major countries in the world besides the US and maybe Russia where the central government agrees with you on what is happening and what to do about it? (If there are give us some links)

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

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To be fair, nobody would have undertaken the Big Dig if the true cost were known up-front. And a debt that's 200% GDP is a unique circumstance.

The Big Dig may have been closer to the budget, except it kept getting changed. An example would be that they initially planned on shutting down certain routes until a politician decided to announce that traffic flow would not be disrupted. That's great if you're paid to model the traffic but probably not so great if you now have to pay the added expenses.

Just once, I'd like to see the people that planned something and signed the deals stand up to a politician. Just see the demand to make a huge, costly, unreasonable change (likely for political reasons) and say, "No, fuck it. We planned this, you already spent $3 billion on it, it's not changing now. If you want it changed, it's cancelled, the $3b goes up in smoke, along with your political career and everyone who's ever so much as had lunch with you."

I know, it's not realistic... but it would be nice to see. I have this picture in my head of the entire government running like it did in The Pentagon Wars (that's billion, with a "b"...) and nobody can stop it.

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

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I don't know how they handle infrastructure, but whatever they do seems like something the rest of the world could learn from. A little while ago it made international news when they fixed a sink hole in a few days: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/15/asia/fukuoka-sinkhole-fill...

It should be noted that that sinkhole re-occurred shortly afterwards. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38129691

Th original sinkhole was caused by a collapse of a under construction subway tunnel. This second time is just regular settling, there was no second collapse.

Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

#119

From what I understand, Japan thinks the climate is getting warmer due to human action, and serious steps need to be taken to deal with it. I have a question for the global climate change skeptics out there. Are there any major countries in the world besides the US and maybe Russia where the central government agrees with you on what is happening and what to do about it? (If there are give us some links)

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Re: Tokyo Is Preparing for Floods ‘Beyond Anything We’ve Seen’

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Why? When you can use disaster capitalism and profit on the "volatility" provided by such events?

I've heard it said that in the UK a fatal car crash increases GDP by about £1 million.

No chance.

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

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