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Re: Debian 9.2 released

#41

When I run linux on servers, I always choose Debian. It is the best distro IMO. Glad to see that the project is still going as strong as ever!

As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

The stable community...

It really does feel like Debian will be one of the only distros we have at the moment that will still be around in a hundred years.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

I have a debian install that I've installed in 2001. It's clean, fully up to date and has never been reinstalled. It's not necessary. It had apache1 before, it had the old exim before, it had all kind of old packages and was gradually updated over the years. True, something like 'etckeeper' is a great boon these days. Still, that's what I call a server distro ;-)

And yet, here I am running it on my laptop! :D

Debian is a great, stable distro. Even Sid, the unstable, rolling branch sees little breakage overall. Sane defaults, package maintainers who care about the minor rendering bugs in obscure packages and make the effort to patch said bugs. I'm continually impressed by the fit & finish of Debian, especially in context of how deep the Debian Archive is, with 68 thousand software packages in total.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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RHEL works by backporting bug fixes and new features into the old versions. Don't go by the version numbers, check the availability of features instead.

Backporting features and not bumping versions is redicilous though, especially when that means v3.1 of upstream is different to v3.1 in your repo.

You're just not their target audience. Others are willing to throw money at Red Hat for this "rediculousness", though.

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I actually looked for a while there (even Ctrl+f'ed) but somehow missed it. My bad. Still it's more of a nuisance to most people and I don't like how the standard URL does not deliver the same page to all.

That's how the web is supposed to work. If you prefer English versions of pages, go into your browser configuration and tell it to prefer English.

It is a bit more complicated but I can get if people whose first language is English and who are rarely exposed to other languages cannot understand the struggle.

If I prefer to read English texts in their original form (because I understand it perfectly clear) but read texts in my native language in that original language, there is no single setting.

It feels weird saying this, but it reeks of a very anglo-american worldview to have a single language preference.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

#45
I wish Debian would adopt Ubuntu-like versioning number: "yy.mm". So easy to understand. Another good example is TeXLive, which simply uses "yyyy". Much better.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Can't really come up with any reason, if you're happy with CentOS you should probably keep using CentOS. I just started out with Ubuntu but realised that Debian seems to have more control over their packages and have a much more stable ecosystem which I value. Also .deb packages always seem to be available for basically any software distributed for linux and why make life hard?

Ubuntu is debian based, and works on .deb packages. Just nitpicking, nothing else to add.

Yeah, if it didn't get wrecked every other upgrade, I'd probably still be on Ubuntu. But talking to the Ubuntu Washington people this past weekend, its still an ongoing problem. Comparatively, here I am running Stretch when I started with Wheezy years ago!

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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I have a debian install that I've installed in 2001. It's clean, fully up to date and has never been reinstalled. It's not necessary. It had apache1 before, it had the old exim before, it had all kind of old packages and was gradually updated over the years. True, something like 'etckeeper' is a great boon these days. Still, that's what I call a server distro ;-)

And yet, here I am running it on my laptop! :D Debian is a great, stable distro. Even Sid, the unstable, rolling branch sees little breakage overall. Sane defaults, package maintainers who care about the minor rendering bugs in obscure packages and make the effort to patch said bugs. I'm continually impressed by the fit & finish of Debian, especially in context of how deep the Debian Archive is, with 68 thousand soft…

Oh sure I also run it everywhere else -- sid on my workstation, 'testing' on my home server and laptop etc. It does cover pretty much all the bases!

But, the 'stable' server is rather amazing. I (used to) get into rpm-hell with centos/redhat in a matter of weeks. Even ubuntu will break stuff more often than not when crossgrading from 'major' versions.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

#48

When I run linux on servers, I always choose Debian. It is the best distro IMO. Glad to see that the project is still going as strong as ever!

As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

Batteries are included with Debian. I seem to always have to install things from EPEL (https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3358), which has a lower standard for support. Debian seems to have everything I need in main that I need and I rarely have to go to non-free or contrib. This helps me trust my system more. Both security and stability.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

I have a debian install that I've installed in 2001. It's clean, fully up to date and has never been reinstalled. It's not necessary. It had apache1 before, it had the old exim before, it had all kind of old packages and was gradually updated over the years. True, something like 'etckeeper' is a great boon these days. Still, that's what I call a server distro ;-)

Same here! Just 2005/06 as i remember. And every time apt-get push new things to machine since i'm in "testing" build.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

Can't really come up with any reason, if you're happy with CentOS you should probably keep using CentOS. I just started out with Ubuntu but realised that Debian seems to have more control over their packages and have a much more stable ecosystem which I value. Also .deb packages always seem to be available for basically any software distributed for linux and why make life hard?

Good advice. I run OpenSUSE and couldn't be happier with my them in regards to Desktop and Server.

I think we all just just grok the way our distro does things.

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