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I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by moretai »

tosstossy wrote: post #49
moretai wrote: post #30

I feel like there has to be a good amount of people in the world who take psychedelics on a regular basis. At least more so than your average person. I'd imagine they are still broken, shattered, and lost individuals. Maybe some people have accessed some secret knowledge on their trips. But for the vast majority, I doubt that's the case. I am not saying that there is no benefit, especially for an extreme case like th…

Wow, you don't have any experience with these drugs, do you?

What if I did? Would that have validated my comments and prevented the downvoting?

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by abarrett »

anythingnonidin wrote: post #58
oliv__ wrote: post #55

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Hi, your link looks interesting so thanks for putting that together but I just wanted to say it seems you've set the CSS property word-wrap: break-word on all elements of your site, which makes it kind of hard to read the text as words are constantly being chopped off.

Thanks for the comment. Can you share a screenshot on imgur.com by any chance? I can't reproduce the issue so would like to know what you're seeing so I can fix it.

Resize to around 480px width and you'll see the problem.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by boldlybold »

moretai wrote: post #30

I feel like there has to be a good amount of people in the world who take psychedelics on a regular basis. At least more so than your average person. I'd imagine they are still broken, shattered, and lost individuals. Maybe some people have accessed some secret knowledge on their trips. But for the vast majority, I doubt that's the case. I am not saying that there is no benefit, especially for an extreme case like th…

Read some of the research on psychedelic medicine, and come back to your post. People's lives have been changed by this, long term. Adults with autism, PTSD, substance abuse, end-of-life cancer patients with terrible anxiety.

It doesn't matter what the culture behind these substances is. They work for the people that need them. The results should speak for themselves.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by moretai »

wavefunction wrote: post #38
moretai wrote: post #30

I feel like there has to be a good amount of people in the world who take psychedelics on a regular basis. At least more so than your average person. I'd imagine they are still broken, shattered, and lost individuals. Maybe some people have accessed some secret knowledge on their trips. But for the vast majority, I doubt that's the case. I am not saying that there is no benefit, especially for an extreme case like th…

You sound like you haven't tried either MDMA or mushrooms from reading your post. I can't speak for everyone but the stuff you think is 'all bullshit' seems to be pretty common experience even among people who don't know Terrence McKenna or George Harrison from lil Jeffy Sessions. And psychedelic use has been deeply ingrained in various human cultures all over the world for thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of t…

>Taking psychedelics as part of a religious ceremony or ritual to rid oneself of suffering is part of indigenous traditions in the Americas, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia/Oceania.

Could you link me to some research about this? I have heard this talked about, but I haven't found anything reliable.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by cnp »

bdamm wrote: post #59
yesbabyyes wrote: post #45

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Is it possible to do this, today, anywhere in the world (without getting into a study, which seems hard, especially in another country)? I am looking for help for somebody close to me.

Only if you know a willing therapist.

And that therapist has access to 100% _pure_ (and unfortunately illegal) MDMA.

This is one of the great tragedies of the war on drugs: UN member states are bound to the convention under law, so until this unjust (and unscientific) barrier is torn down it will always be dangerous and difficult to acquire for therapeutic purposes. But things, thankfully, are changing for the better.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by civilian »

bauerd wrote: post #43
cnp wrote: post #39

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When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.

Are you sure about the doses? Doesn't sound overly therapeutic to me tbh

For people who are curious, here is a dosage chart: https://erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_dose.shtml

It's a pretty normal dose.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by BearGoesChirp »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #5

For decades, there has been a near complete effective block on medical research for certain classes of drugs. Timothy Leary and that kind of 60’s stuff chilled legitimate science. Only recently have small changes started to happen, to the point the government, the flipping FDA, has started to think Ectasy (MDMA) might be a viable treatment for some of our most horrible mental illnesses. So many people wonder when sci…

>and even work against collection of, objective data

The problem is that many times the data collected is not objective at all. Statistics can be twisted by even just the definitions of words used. For example, a CDC study on rape considered forced penetration, but not being forced to penetrate, as rape. This data was then used in a report that, among other conclusions, concluded that women almost never rape men. All the cases of women forcing a man to have sex were defined as not being rape, twisting the results of the study.

When you see someone against data collection, are they against using good objective data, or do they have reason to believe the data won't be objective and manipulated to push one side or the other?

All this being said, I think drugs like MDMA should be legal for recreational use, much less therapeutic use.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by samstave »

yesbabyyes wrote: post #45
cnp wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.

Is it possible to do this, today, anywhere in the world (without getting into a study, which seems hard, especially in another country)? I am looking for help for somebody close to me.

It would be interesting to determine the efficacy of actual MDMA (commonly available in the 90s) vs what is referred to as 'Molly' today...

The issue is that they may or may not be actual MDMA - and the unscrupulous label general amphetamines as either molly or MDMA and people unfamiliar dont know it....

The clinical studies should, presumably, be also, setting a standard for the purity, dosage, quality etc around the tested substance...

So to go "off grid" as it were, to test this has risks..

That being said - the efficacy of any therapy session, even when the introspection and emotional response is deliberately induced, could still result in benefits.

The problem with any drugs, beit alcohol, weed, whatever - is that environment (situational and historically) play a large part in the response.

The mental state can be associative to a great degree, and as such - if one has had a tool such as MDMA in the past - but in a really poor environment, the response could be poor.

Read up on it - but never trust anything off the street to be what they claim...

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by civilitty »

ceejayoz wrote: post #33
vongomben wrote: post #23

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Can you expand a little more the brain interfacing device part?

Sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulat... , which has a pretty extensive DIY scene.

That's not brain interfacing tech. He's talking about wearable headsets like the Emotiv that let you control computers with your mind by training against EEG signals.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by anythingnonidin »

abarrett wrote: post #62
anythingnonidin wrote: post #58

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Thanks for the comment. Can you share a screenshot on imgur.com by any chance? I can't reproduce the issue so would like to know what you're seeing so I can fix it.

Resize to around 480px width and you'll see the problem.

Got it, thanks. Will fix.
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