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Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by overcast »

jandrese wrote: post #34
dragontamer wrote: post #9

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Reddit is a community of communities. Certain subreddits are incredibly toxic. Others are not. /r/factorio is one of the best communities I've ever been a part of for example. I guess the age-old rule applies. 90% of everything is crap.

Ironic that a site that claims to be the frontpage of the Internet would have such a useless front page. I agree that individual communities are useful, but none of them are in the list of defaults that show up when you hit the front page when not logged in.

Yeh, the "front page of the internet" is basically just pop culture. All of the trash that appeals to the masses.

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Post by egypturnash »

willismichael wrote: post #7
danjoc wrote: post #4

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Welcome to the club. I did this years ago. That was sincere. I found it is hard to talk about it without being treated like a smug asshole. It's like everyone who hears you talk about it, even other people doing it, interpret you as a zealot extremist or something. For instance, if I didn't include this paragraph, I would be flag killed.

I made a goal to not sign into facebook for the summer of 2017 (I defined summer as all of June, July, and August). In September I signed back in and poked around a bit, only to feel like it was a waste of time and that I didn't have a compelling reason to stay. Maybe I should try the same experiment with Hacker News and other online forums that I frequent.

Worth doing, I think. Which ones do you miss after a week or three?

I've been doing some cutting back - deleted Twitter off my phone, unsubscribed from several subreddits (some of which I just never clicked on posts from, others which I spent a decent amount of time answering questions on) - and it's been pretty nice.

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Post by overcast »

kakarot wrote: post #40
ekzy wrote: post #32

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I've been looking a bit more at "top of the week" on alt websites, and a bit less at the HN homepage. I think you can get most of it like this; maybe you could try. (e.g. http://www.hntoplinks.com/week or https://news.ycombinator.com/best )

This works well if you are mainly a lurker, but not if you're looking to engage in a conversation while it's hot. For me, the article is often just an excuse for discourse around its themes, which I find much more stimulating. My personal angle for solving this problem of spending too much time sifting through news/comments is an auto-tagging and summarization platform built in Python with rss feeds as both input and…

This is for HN only?

Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by legitster »

3452354326 wrote: post #43

As a teenager (probably a bit younger than the average HN reader) there's definitely been a change in how we approach social media. Most kids now take advantage of privacy settings to moderate who can see what messages, often creating private or "fake" accounts that only a few friends can see that contrast with their "public" accounts. Ironically the "fake" accounts are more "real" due to the more honest and realisti…

Wouldn't all of the private groups and secret messages make it worse? School for me was cliquey enough as it was, without the assistance of technology. It seems this would blow that up by an order of magnitude..

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Post by jacalata »

lostlogin wrote: post #44
dmihal wrote: post #23

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Can you explain why you don't want your photo on Facebook? It's one thing to chose to abstain from social media, but it feels more invasive to ask others to change what they post.

A recent scenario. Kid gets their face painted and it seemed to take longer and look better than the few in the line ahead of us. When finished the person running the operation pulled out a camera and asked to take a photo “For my Facebook feed”.

That's not an explanation, and that's clearly someone trying to show off their work that happens to be on your kid (aka use them as an ad), not a friend trying to post a picture of the two of you at a party.

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Post by explainThis »

dmihal wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #10

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Try asking other people not to put your photo on Facebook. More people are becoming understanding about that, but there's still a range of responses like incredulity, contempt, or the inevitable person who wants to turn it into some kind of debate of abstract principles.

Can you explain why you don't want your photo on Facebook? It's one thing to chose to abstain from social media, but it feels more invasive to ask others to change what they post.

The idea that this demands explanation is somewhat outrageous. Everyone has had unflattering photographs taken of them, and most people know how it feels to be embarrassed by a bad photo. I'm sure you know what it feels like to have pictures of you laughed at.

Some pictures are seriously confidence sapping, and others are downright ruinous. Even pictures that don't seem terrible to the outsider, can seem just as bad to a person who lacks confidence to begin with, even if irrationally so.

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Post by pmoriarty »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #46
oceanghost wrote: post #29

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It's not just the companies behind it that are a problem. The concept of civil debate and discourse is, in large part a thing of the past. Issue any opinion, politely, well reasoned on facebook and you most likely be savaged.

In my experience there is plenty of civil debate and discourse going on, just that Facebook isn't where it's happening, except may be some closed groups. Even in the small city I live in, population ~87,000, there are two regular philosophy meet ups and a skeptics group. The local state university hosts regular guest speakers. There is a tonne of podcasts and books produced from around the world with vastly differing…

What % of your city's population attends philosophy meetups or skeptics groups? Would you say it's more than 0.1% ?

As for university talks, at least at my university they were attended by a tiny minority of students. Most students went only to the lectures they had to for class and did something else in their free time than go to more lectures. Outside of students and the occasional professor, it was rare for these talks to be attended by anyone else, unless someone really famous was talking -- even then, only a small minority of the people in the surrounding area would even hear of these events, much less bother to go.

The sad fact is that most people, in the US at least, aren't very interested in intellectual pursuits like this. They'd much rather go to a ballgame, party, watch TV, or hang out at the bar.

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Post by louithethrid »

hacking_again wrote: post #22
brookside wrote: post #17

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I must say, this last addition to the thread makes you sound like less a content and healthy escapee of the social media vortex, and more of an isolated depressive. Quite a less inspiring model.

So we're labeling people as mentally ill with a view towards criticizing them and their opinions now?

We are a whole society unravelling, because we did the Icarus and flew to high.

Men retreating back into electronice dreams of the purposes of the past. Woman, errecting warped social pagodas to enforce freedom and basic income contracts against the building backlash.

Beeing mentally ill, as in unable to adjust to this, is the new normal. The only people well adapted to our circumstances, are drug addicted, no life work-aholics and ironically they are the group to force its standards down humanitys throat.

I guess that never appeared in anyones singularity vision- that the species as a whole could step away from its invention, smash it all to bits and errect some codex hamurabi with just one rule:

"You shall not wrap thy fellow man in machinery."

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Post by mattmanser »

pmoriarty wrote: post #58
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #46

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In my experience there is plenty of civil debate and discourse going on, just that Facebook isn't where it's happening, except may be some closed groups. Even in the small city I live in, population ~87,000, there are two regular philosophy meet ups and a skeptics group. The local state university hosts regular guest speakers. There is a tonne of podcasts and books produced from around the world with vastly differing…

What % of your city's population attends philosophy meetups or skeptics groups? Would you say it's more than 0.1% ? As for university talks, at least at my university they were attended by a tiny minority of students. Most students went only to the lectures they had to for class and did something else in their free time than go to more lectures. Outside of students and the occasional professor, it was rare for these…

87 people. Probably far too high. But maybe over a year 87 different people fade in and out of a group.

But those 87 people know and talk to 100 other people each,that's 10% of the city.

Go two degrees of separation and it's the whole town.

Students in a town generally only know other students. Students are actually pretty secluded. But normal people? They know their families, they know their friends, they know their colleagues, the people they do their hobbies with, their local shop owners, the people in their local Baby groups, the other parents in their schools, the people who the volunteer with, etc.

It's about how ideas spread, not about how many people are in one group.

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