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Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by pavement »

pgeorgep wrote: post #14

At some point, the general population has to realize that the relationship with social media is pretty one-sided. It's an egregiously impersonal landscape with zero regards for personal well being. Plain and simple, social media companies exist to cash in on your personal data. It's about time that a generation takes a stand.

But that's not what's going on here. It's not that anyone has taken a stand against business motives or impersonal exploitation of incidental intimacy, within the context of this particular story.

In these anecdotes, the people mentioned are rebelling for different reasons, in an effort to control choices relating to personal habits, as they modify what are perceived as necessary social obligations and compulsory public behavior, when interacting with modern technology and devices.

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Post by heroprotagonist »

dmihal wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try asking other people not to put your photo on Facebook. More people are becoming understanding about that, but there's still a range of responses like incredulity, contempt, or the inevitable person who wants to turn it into some kind of debate of abstract principles.

Can you explain why you don't want your photo on Facebook? It's one thing to chose to abstain from social media, but it feels more invasive to ask others to change what they post.

If it's invasive to not post personal data of other people on the internet, then the definition has certainly shifted over the years..

Controlling might be a better word, in that I request respect for my belief that my personal data is my own, to share or not share with whatever corporation I decide.

This is usually forestalled from being much of an issue by being up-front about it. EG, when I see someone new is going to take a photo of me, I try to say something before they take the photo instead of afterwards, and offer to leave so they can get their photograph without me if they seem perturbed.

This way they can decide, "Do I still take this photo, and remember not to put it on Facebook? Or do I take it with the intent to share it despite his wishes? Or do I simply wait 3 seconds for him to move?"

Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by 3452354326 »

As a teenager (probably a bit younger than the average HN reader) there's definitely been a change in how we approach social media. Most kids now take advantage of privacy settings to moderate who can see what messages, often creating private or "fake" accounts that only a few friends can see that contrast with their "public" accounts. Ironically the "fake" accounts are more "real" due to the more honest and realistic posts that they only allow their friends to see. Even in public settings, people are moving away from only showing "perfect" images instead favoring a more realistic image.

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Post by lostlogin »

dmihal wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try asking other people not to put your photo on Facebook. More people are becoming understanding about that, but there's still a range of responses like incredulity, contempt, or the inevitable person who wants to turn it into some kind of debate of abstract principles.

Can you explain why you don't want your photo on Facebook? It's one thing to chose to abstain from social media, but it feels more invasive to ask others to change what they post.

A recent scenario. Kid gets their face painted and it seemed to take longer and look better than the few in the line ahead of us. When finished the person running the operation pulled out a camera and asked to take a photo “For my Facebook feed”.

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Post by dragontamer »

steveeq1 wrote: post #27
dragontamer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is a community of communities. Certain subreddits are incredibly toxic. Others are not. /r/factorio is one of the best communities I've ever been a part of for example. I guess the age-old rule applies. 90% of everything is crap.

What reddit communities do you consider "toxic"?

Generally speaking, the political ones qualify. Moderators pick sides and nobody agrees on anything. The best you can do is troll people and become apathetic to other people's problems while you visit. Otherwise, you go crazy during your stay. Be it /r/pol, KotakuInAction, TheDonald, etc. etc. They're all toxic in my experience.

Some communities are only toxic if you say certain keywords. /r/hardware has good info for instance, but if you start a flamewar on AMD vs Intel or AMD vs NVidia, then the community immediately becomes toxic and its just not worth listening to.

In general, a lot of "discussions" end up like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k

And that's simply not helpful to anybody.

Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

oceanghost wrote: post #29
pgeorgep wrote: post #14

At some point, the general population has to realize that the relationship with social media is pretty one-sided. It's an egregiously impersonal landscape with zero regards for personal well being. Plain and simple, social media companies exist to cash in on your personal data. It's about time that a generation takes a stand.

It's not just the companies behind it that are a problem. The concept of civil debate and discourse is, in large part a thing of the past. Issue any opinion, politely, well reasoned on facebook and you most likely be savaged.

In my experience there is plenty of civil debate and discourse going on, just that Facebook isn't where it's happening, except may be some closed groups.

Even in the small city I live in, population ~87,000, there are two regular philosophy meet ups and a skeptics group. The local state university hosts regular guest speakers. There is a tonne of podcasts and books produced from around the world with vastly differing opinions.

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Post by CaptSpify »

kakarot wrote: post #40
ekzy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been looking a bit more at "top of the week" on alt websites, and a bit less at the HN homepage. I think you can get most of it like this; maybe you could try. (e.g. http://www.hntoplinks.com/week or https://news.ycombinator.com/best )

This works well if you are mainly a lurker, but not if you're looking to engage in a conversation while it's hot. For me, the article is often just an excuse for discourse around its themes, which I find much more stimulating. My personal angle for solving this problem of spending too much time sifting through news/comments is an auto-tagging and summarization platform built in Python with rss feeds as both input and…

Interesting. I use ttrss as well, do you have a blog-post or anything about how you are doing that?

Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by ferdbold »

searine wrote: post #19

Because twitter and Facebook are full of their parents and other angry adults throwing fits about politics that are carved in digital stone. That's not cool. In an age where digital permanence is common, being ephemeral and mysterious is unique and luxurious. Now, cool is having FB be a highlight reel, while you conduct actual socializing in private, protected spaces.

That's pretty much how I'm approaching social media as well in my twenties.

I'm barely posting anything anymore on Facebook, but the Messenger groups I share with 10 or so of my closest friends are alive and well. I guess I just don't like the feeling of someone "butting in" into conversations meant for other people on Facebook posts. For the same reason I barely comment anything anymore on other people's posts, it just feels like walking on glass most of the time.

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Post by kakarot »

CaptSpify wrote: post #47
kakarot wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This works well if you are mainly a lurker, but not if you're looking to engage in a conversation while it's hot. For me, the article is often just an excuse for discourse around its themes, which I find much more stimulating. My personal angle for solving this problem of spending too much time sifting through news/comments is an auto-tagging and summarization platform built in Python with rss feeds as both input and…

Interesting. I use ttrss as well, do you have a blog-post or anything about how you are doing that?

I'm still in the prototyping phase, and juggling it between work and another side project. I have a decent understanding of the stack I will need. I have feed parsing and HTML/XML stripping in place, currently I'm comparing auto-tagging libraries and seeing if any of them meets all of my needs.

If you're interested in bouncing around ideas and possibly contributing at some point (I plan to open source after the research and legwork is done), let me know.

Re: Teens 'rebelling against social media', say headteachers

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Post by zlynx »

3452354326 wrote: post #43

As a teenager (probably a bit younger than the average HN reader) there's definitely been a change in how we approach social media. Most kids now take advantage of privacy settings to moderate who can see what messages, often creating private or "fake" accounts that only a few friends can see that contrast with their "public" accounts. Ironically the "fake" accounts are more "real" due to the more honest and realisti…

With so many people wanting to abuse our social media profiles, it only makes sense to use fake accounts.

That way our "real" one looks OK to our employers, parents, acquaintances, etc. Our fake profiles can have all of what we actually think.

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