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Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by eropple » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

adewinter wrote: post #16

codq wrote: post #3

As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

If you work in 'the industry', surely it would not be a big deal to carry around an adapter a long with the other standard tools of your trade? I imagine it'll be about as inconvenient as carrying around ear buds.

It is much more likely that I misplace an adapter or break the connector or break the port than it is that I have a problem with a built-in 3.5mm jack. And, similarly, this is why we still use 1/4" jacks and XLR for real audio gear. We could make all this stuff smaller, we could make all this stuff digital, but it'd be more stuff that breaks on us.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by stephengillie » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

warrenmiller wrote: post #34

No wireless charging?

Wireless charging can't provide enough amps to actually charge newer Google devices. Nexus phones had them through the 5/7, but lost them with the 5x/6p.

My Nexus 5 wall charger can't even push enough amps to charge my Nexus 5x.

Edit: Does the new iPhone use the same wireless chargers as older phones? Can you use it with those Ikea lamps with wireless charging? Or does it use a different/less lossy transmission method?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by KayL » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

codq wrote: post #3

As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

I wonder if it's better water resistance after removing the jack, anyone knows that?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by oedenfield » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

limeblack wrote: post #17

Does anyone know how consistent the squeeze feature is on phones that have already implemented such?

At least with latest Android OS you can replace the Assistant with other options/apps.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by Grazester » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #38

Grazester wrote: post #5

Its DX0 score is 98

Which is meaningless. They have declared themselves the standard but that number doesn’t actually measure anything. I mean the fact they sell cameras alone means they’re not unbiased. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/22/dxo-ratings-are... Wait for real camera reviews.

It might be meaningless but given the Pixel/Google's recent push with image based ai I would not be dismissive of the phone's camera prowess

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by codq » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #12

legohead wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love my Pixel, but they just lost me as a customer for this reason. I'm not totally against removing the headphone jack, but it's not time yet -- the transition has been done poorly.

Yep, after being really impressed with the Pixel I knew Pixel 2 was going to be my next phone. Not anymore. Lack of the headphone jack is an absolute no-go for me.

LG V30 is going to be the phone to get in 2017.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by wnevets » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

ggreer wrote: post #31

wnevets wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If my 1st generation Pixel were to break today, I'd buy another 1st generation Pixel. Yup, no way I'm buying new a car just to listen to music while driving.

Instead of buying a new car, you could just use the adaptor that comes with the phone.

and when I lose that adaptor I won't be able to listen to music until I buy a new one. Why are we adding extra steps to an already solved problem?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by mozumder » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

codq wrote: post #3

As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

I just ended up buying a bunch of cheap Bluetooth audio adapters: https://www.amazon.com/Mpow-Bluetooth-Receiver-Streaming-Han...

About the same price as an overpriced cable from Best Buy.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by deep_concern » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

theseatoms wrote: post #35

deep_concern wrote: post #23

The only reason to remove the headphone jack is to sell more dongles and wireless headphones. That's it. Consumers are not asking for it for the aesthetics. It doesn't make the phone much thinner. It doesn't make the phone easier to manufacture.

What about water-proofing? That's the best reason I've heard.

The LG V30 and Galaxy S8 have a headphone jack AND have IP68 waterproofing, versus the Pixel 2's (and iPhone 7/8) IP67.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by selectout » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

lopespm wrote: post #45

Honest question: for those of you who own a mobile device without a headphone jack, do you find it to be an encuberment? Personally I still find it a bit hostile to not have the jack available, since often times I find myself charging the phone and using the headphones (when watching videos for example), so having an adapter dongle for such a frequent task seems counterintuitive to me. I believe that if a device is c…

(personal antidote) I had 3 pairs of headphones I primarily used pre-removal of the headphone jack. 2 bluetooth (working out and @work) and the third was a nice pair for at home listening. I have no problems with a dongle always connected to my nice pair, and have actually found myself using bluetooth more often regardless of Aux port availability.